Freedom! Och Aye the noo.....

[Rhyfelwyr]

Rhy may be a Unionist but I suspect even he would bristle if you described Scotland as a "region" of the UK, though in that case "province" might be more accurate and that would not go down over-well either.

I prefer the term 'northern Britain'.

Also like I said I prefer 'loyalist' over 'unionist (small 'u' remember), because I don't think of Britain as a union of two (or more) nations, and I am loyal to the British government, British institutions, and above all the concept of the British nation itself.

Because Scotland was a nation that signed a union and therefore they should have the right to unsign. (I am sure our American friends would love such a precendent in international law)

Scotland was not a nation, it was a feudal kingdom. And I don't see how internation law can come into it given that the Union happened before any (modern) concept of international law existed. Surely all the other historic kingdoms that were annexed by larger powers and currently want independence would have more of a right to seceed given they were subjected purely by brute force?

Looking from the outside it says a lot about Britishness that it cannot defend itself, instead the debate is all bout genetics as per the Neo-Unionists or worrying about the "Greatness" of the country etc etc.

Indeed, this may well be the downfall of the British nation. I have always said that mainstream 'unionists' lost the battle when they held the debate on nationalist rhetoric and terms. Devolution was supposed to compromise with the nationalists, but I always said it just gives legitimacy to Scottish nationhood. As does the fact that mainstream unionists continue to talk of themselves as being "proudly Scottish", and talking of the "Scottish people" having a collective sovereignty.

Ye cant have it both ways either your allowed to negotitate new treaties with the people concerned or your an autocracy, if the UK can agitate for powers back from the EU then Scotland can do the same.

You can't compare the relationship of a sovereign state within an international organisation to that of a component region within a sovereign state.

It is no longer a Union signed in good faith if it must be maintained by refusing to let it go, let it stand for itself or not at all.

Well tbh it wasn't really ever signed in good faith and was in fact widely opposed in Scotland. Although that was more because of the terms of the union itself, just a few decades ago the Scots had of course went to the trouble of holding the English king ransom in order to enforce their own idea of union (which was actually a much fuller union that would have saw the two national churches united as well).

And after all that craic the vote is likely to fail anyway, so whats is the big fuss about??

There's a good chance it could succeed, and public opinion is shifting ever in favour of it, especially with younger generations. Salmond actually wanted to get all 16+ voting in the referendum although it looks like he's given up on that.