Mentally Retarded Girl Gang Raped In South Africa. n Other News Sky Is Blue

[gaelic cowboy]

Time for the Afrikaners to get home, there is a totally ignored genocide going on there

Eh??

[Peasant Phill]

Eh??

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

[gaelic cowboy]

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

Could they stop it even if they tried there best, I doubt it to be honest.

[Major Robert Dump]

That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

There comes a point where you have to wonder if it really is due to a thousand and one abstract, unquantifiable factors, or if it's just down to the quality of people.

I didn't expect much more from a country where the President rapes a woman then washes his privates in the shower to protect against AIDS.

I've heard a bit about the situation there from being in contact with Afrikaners through some Reformed Christian forums. All I can say is I hope that the Afrikaner people get their own state because things are taking a really ugly turn there.

[Greyblades]

I'm starting to think we shouldnt have been in such a rush to let some of them leave the empires. Actually scratch that, we gave them the chance to do thier own thing and some flosrished, though I feel we should have at least interviened when a bunch of them turned into hellholes.
Edit: then again desert storm showed how badly that could go. I dunno, I feel we shouldnt just sit back and watch them crash and burn.
Edit2: Um I'm starting top get that "woefully ignorant about the true facts of the situation" feeling again.

[econ21]

That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing.

Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

which does not support your claim at all.

And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?

[gaelic cowboy]

Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.

Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.

Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??

All quite true. It is also true that rape-rates have declined precipitously in most Western countries and are at an all time low, claims such as, "one in four" or even "one in three women are survivors" does not actually refer to penetrative rape, but to general sexual assault, and even then they sidestep the fact that there are villages if not regions where every woman and girl has been penetratively raped multiple times.

[Major Robert Dump]

Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

which does not support your claim at all.



What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?

Wow. You missed the point.

I didn't realize that I needed to prove that rape is an issue in Africa. Note I said "Africa" and not sub sahara Africa. I notice your link, which lists countries and not continents, hardly has any African countries on it. Those stats are a joke, dude. I mean seriously. What, did they just go by police reports, arrests and convictions? Well, the Rwandan police have always been known for their professionalism and thoroughness, so yeah, I am sure rape hardly ever happens there because if it did they would have said something. I am also sure that certain culural norms, like a husband being "due" sex or a war fighter claiming his secret pay, were taken into due consideration when compiling this list. What a farce.

Haiti and Brazil are both superstitious, patriarchal kleptocracies with pockets of stability and swaths of vast ghettos. My point was that places that are unstable by our standards are typically going to have higher incidences of rape in general, where the "Stable" places will have rape that is concentrated in certain locations and demographics. Also, I didn't realize Brazil was in Africa so yeah, that was totally about race. You got me. FYI I could have just as easily added a laundry list of other countries to my list, which is why I said "oh wait"

[Fragony]

Could they stop it even if they tried there best, I doubt it to be honest.

40.000 killed by now

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

40.000 killed by now

40,000 Africanas likked in SA.

No, I don't think so. Not unless you're counting all the ANCE terrorist attacks since the year dot, even then I struggle to believe it. For one thing, my Uncle would be back in blighty by now.

[gaelic cowboy]

40.000 killed by now

40 people killed so far out of 4.5 millions white people sure there was over 1230 road deaths in SA last year alone> So taking some a very rough guess at 9% of the total population that would mean 3 times as many people died on the road potentially. (if the road deaths followed the population stats as a whole)

I don't see a genocide here Frag to be honest all I see is merely a lack of law an order and weak institutions across much of SA.

And all of this is easily traceable to poverty and lack of oppurtunity it could take years to set on SA a sound path if it's at all possible.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Most genocides in recent decades started because of a lack of law and order, just because it isn't centrally organised doesn't mean it's not genocide.

[gaelic cowboy]

Most genocides in recent decades started because of a lack of law and order, just because it isn't centrally organised doesn't mean it's not genocide.

Indeed they usually do but it's buttering the bread a bit to thick to claim there is some kind of cleansing going on here.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

My Uncle married an Africaner, they're out there right now. I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

[gaelic cowboy]

I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

If your a white relatively richer farmer with a nice house a couple of dogs and picket fence yet half a mile up the road is some fella is living in a shack even though he is supposedly "Free" does it surprise anyone these incidents happen.

Does this mean it is ok that it happens of course not however nor is it proof of large scale genocide.

More likely it is proof of the inability of governments in Africa to truly control there territory and population at large.

Essentially South Africa is a flawed democracy better than most but could do better.

[Lemur]

My Uncle married an Africaner, they're out there right now. I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

Yeah, actually this is a universal, in every society and every culture. Extreme inequality (on a local level) leads to a breakdown of order and social fabric. That's why, as a relatively successful lemur, I'm more than happy to pay my bit into the social safety net through property, state and federal taxes. It's insurance for my lifestyle, and for the safety of my family. It's in my selfish interest to not have people living in shacks, desperate for anything they can get.

That's probably another discussion, though.

[Vladimir]

That's probably another discussion, though.

Clearly, as there are many societies where this is not the case. That depends on the local culture and a host of other factors. The rape culture, as others have pointed out, is particularly strong in Sub-Saharan Africa. It's also down to how a culture identifies itself. I suspect Jamaican "daggering" and etc has something to do with their cultural identity.

[Strike For The South]

If you treat people like dogs, don't be surprised when they act like them

[Rhyfelwyr]

If your a white relatively richer farmer with a nice house a couple of dogs and picket fence yet half a mile up the road is some fella is living in a shack even though he is supposedly "Free" does it surprise anyone these incidents happen.

A lot of Afrikaners live in poverty, they rely on food aid to survive. I wish I had it to hand but there was an article recently on a news site where black South Africans were shown a video of their conditions and they were shocked.

If you treat people like dogs, don't be surprised when they act like them

There are a lot of misconceptions about Apartheid.

The reality is black South Africans had not only the highest living standards of any black population in Africa, they also had full political rights within their homelands. The likes of Mandela could only do what they did because they were educated in institutions created and payed for by the white man.

And the Boers were treated worse than dogs by the British and yet their solution wasn't to mass rape their own people.

[Kralizec]

"daggering"

Interesting...

[Fragony]

Eh??

Eh??

[gaelic cowboy]

Eh??

Your assertion was that there is some kind of ignored genocide going on thats is patently untrue.

[rvg]

Your assertion was that there is some kind of ignored genocide going on thats is patently untrue.

Perhaps "genocide" is too strong of a word. How about "systematic targeted killings"?

[gaelic cowboy]

Perhaps "genocide" is too strong of a word. How about "systematic targeted killings"?

It wouldnt matter as the implied arguement is that it is ignored because it does not fit with a particular left world view.

[rvg]

It wouldnt matter as the implied arguement is that it is ignored because it does not fit with a particular left world view.

I don't know about "ignored", but I definitely do not see the press beating the drums to attract attention to this issue.

[gaelic cowboy]

I don't know about "ignored", but I definitely do not see the press beating the drums to attract attention to this issue.

The press have to make money to sure you cant have reporters swanning around the place all over the world everyweek sending in copy.

Seeing as the malema factor has came in for particular attention it's fair to say it's not being ignored at all.

Especially due to fact it could potentialy split the ANC and unleash potentialy even more violence across SA, all while trying to ride the handcart of political populism all the way the presidency.

[Rhyfelwyr]

To be fair, whatever you want to call the killings in South Africa, they aren't being ignored on the international scene. The response has been fairly proportional to the scale and nature of the killings.

Whether or not there is a slight left-leaning bias in western media, I still think they are generally trustworthy.

[rvg]

Whether or not there is a slight left-leaning bias in western media, I still think they are generally trustworthy.

I agree, but there's still lots of room for improvement.