Mentally Retarded Girl Gang Raped In South Africa. n Other News Sky Is Blue

[Peasant Phill]

Eh??

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

[gaelic cowboy]

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

Could they stop it even if they tried there best, I doubt it to be honest.

[Major Robert Dump]

That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

There comes a point where you have to wonder if it really is due to a thousand and one abstract, unquantifiable factors, or if it's just down to the quality of people.

I didn't expect much more from a country where the President rapes a woman then washes his privates in the shower to protect against AIDS.

I've heard a bit about the situation there from being in contact with Afrikaners through some Reformed Christian forums. All I can say is I hope that the Afrikaner people get their own state because things are taking a really ugly turn there.

[Greyblades]

I'm starting to think we shouldnt have been in such a rush to let some of them leave the empires. Actually scratch that, we gave them the chance to do thier own thing and some flosrished, though I feel we should have at least interviened when a bunch of them turned into hellholes.
Edit: then again desert storm showed how badly that could go. I dunno, I feel we shouldnt just sit back and watch them crash and burn.
Edit2: Um I'm starting top get that "woefully ignorant about the true facts of the situation" feeling again.

[econ21]

That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing.

Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

which does not support your claim at all.

And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.

What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?

[gaelic cowboy]

Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.

Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.

Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??

All quite true. It is also true that rape-rates have declined precipitously in most Western countries and are at an all time low, claims such as, "one in four" or even "one in three women are survivors" does not actually refer to penetrative rape, but to general sexual assault, and even then they sidestep the fact that there are villages if not regions where every woman and girl has been penetratively raped multiple times.

[gaelic cowboy]

Plus the old myth of tablets in the drink is a favoured one of obviously completely steamed up women. Apparently there has never been an actual case of date rape druging in Ireland according to the Gardai.

Funnily enough there were posters and leaflets were all over college when I was there, and stories of it happening to friend of a friends mate.(urban legends for sure)

[Major Robert Dump]

Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

which does not support your claim at all.



What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?

Wow. You missed the point.

I didn't realize that I needed to prove that rape is an issue in Africa. Note I said "Africa" and not sub sahara Africa. I notice your link, which lists countries and not continents, hardly has any African countries on it. Those stats are a joke, dude. I mean seriously. What, did they just go by police reports, arrests and convictions? Well, the Rwandan police have always been known for their professionalism and thoroughness, so yeah, I am sure rape hardly ever happens there because if it did they would have said something. I am also sure that certain culural norms, like a husband being "due" sex or a war fighter claiming his secret pay, were taken into due consideration when compiling this list. What a farce.

Haiti and Brazil are both superstitious, patriarchal kleptocracies with pockets of stability and swaths of vast ghettos. My point was that places that are unstable by our standards are typically going to have higher incidences of rape in general, where the "Stable" places will have rape that is concentrated in certain locations and demographics. Also, I didn't realize Brazil was in Africa so yeah, that was totally about race. You got me. FYI I could have just as easily added a laundry list of other countries to my list, which is why I said "oh wait"

[Fragony]

Could they stop it even if they tried there best, I doubt it to be honest.

40.000 killed by now

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

40.000 killed by now

40,000 Africanas likked in SA.

No, I don't think so. Not unless you're counting all the ANCE terrorist attacks since the year dot, even then I struggle to believe it. For one thing, my Uncle would be back in blighty by now.

[gaelic cowboy]

40.000 killed by now

40 people killed so far out of 4.5 millions white people sure there was over 1230 road deaths in SA last year alone> So taking some a very rough guess at 9% of the total population that would mean 3 times as many people died on the road potentially. (if the road deaths followed the population stats as a whole)

I don't see a genocide here Frag to be honest all I see is merely a lack of law an order and weak institutions across much of SA.

And all of this is easily traceable to poverty and lack of oppurtunity it could take years to set on SA a sound path if it's at all possible.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Most genocides in recent decades started because of a lack of law and order, just because it isn't centrally organised doesn't mean it's not genocide.

[gaelic cowboy]

Most genocides in recent decades started because of a lack of law and order, just because it isn't centrally organised doesn't mean it's not genocide.

Indeed they usually do but it's buttering the bread a bit to thick to claim there is some kind of cleansing going on here.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well not long ago Genocide Watch put them at level 6, stating there was "organized incitement to violence against white people", although it was recently lowered a level.

idk what way South Africa will go. On the one hand there you had that troll Malema shouting "kill the Boer" and he was head of the youth wing of the ruling party. But I heard he got kicked out for it so that restored some faith.

The potential to go the way of Zimbabwe is there though. Hopefully it won't, but it could.

EDIT: Also just some quick browsing suggests 3-4 thousand victims so far is an accepted number.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

White farmers quite regularly are killed by black South Africans. As little as I know about it, it seems that the ANC isn't doing as much against it as they could.
Racism isn't gone in South-Africa and it goes both ways.

My Uncle married an Africaner, they're out there right now. I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

[gaelic cowboy]

I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

If your a white relatively richer farmer with a nice house a couple of dogs and picket fence yet half a mile up the road is some fella is living in a shack even though he is supposedly "Free" does it surprise anyone these incidents happen.

Does this mean it is ok that it happens of course not however nor is it proof of large scale genocide.

More likely it is proof of the inability of governments in Africa to truly control there territory and population at large.

Essentially South Africa is a flawed democracy better than most but could do better.

[Lemur]

My Uncle married an Africaner, they're out there right now. I think the consensus where they are is it's more a jealousy thing and a lack of Law and Order rather than an organised genocide.

Yeah, actually this is a universal, in every society and every culture. Extreme inequality (on a local level) leads to a breakdown of order and social fabric. That's why, as a relatively successful lemur, I'm more than happy to pay my bit into the social safety net through property, state and federal taxes. It's insurance for my lifestyle, and for the safety of my family. It's in my selfish interest to not have people living in shacks, desperate for anything they can get.

That's probably another discussion, though.

[Vladimir]

That's probably another discussion, though.

Clearly, as there are many societies where this is not the case. That depends on the local culture and a host of other factors. The rape culture, as others have pointed out, is particularly strong in Sub-Saharan Africa. It's also down to how a culture identifies itself. I suspect Jamaican "daggering" and etc has something to do with their cultural identity.

[Strike For The South]

If you treat people like dogs, don't be surprised when they act like them

[Rhyfelwyr]

If your a white relatively richer farmer with a nice house a couple of dogs and picket fence yet half a mile up the road is some fella is living in a shack even though he is supposedly "Free" does it surprise anyone these incidents happen.

A lot of Afrikaners live in poverty, they rely on food aid to survive. I wish I had it to hand but there was an article recently on a news site where black South Africans were shown a video of their conditions and they were shocked.

If you treat people like dogs, don't be surprised when they act like them

There are a lot of misconceptions about Apartheid.

The reality is black South Africans had not only the highest living standards of any black population in Africa, they also had full political rights within their homelands. The likes of Mandela could only do what they did because they were educated in institutions created and payed for by the white man.

And the Boers were treated worse than dogs by the British and yet their solution wasn't to mass rape their own people.

[rvg]

And the Boers were treated worse than dogs by the British and yet their solution wasn't to mass rape their own people.

I must say that this is a very good observation.

[Greyblades]

And the Boers were treated worse than dogs by the British

I never realy understood that phrase, nowadays we treat dogs almost better than we treat eachother, from what I know about history the ones who weren't tamed were largely ignored and considered a minor nuisance to cityfolk at worst, while the ones that got violent were killed on the spot, usually quickly. Is there some period of widespread dog abuse I'm not aware of?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If your a white relatively richer farmer with a nice house a couple of dogs and picket fence yet half a mile up the road is some fella is living in a shack even though he is supposedly "Free" does it surprise anyone these incidents happen.

Does this mean it is ok that it happens of course not however nor is it proof of large scale genocide.

More likely it is proof of the inability of governments in Africa to truly control there territory and population at large.

Essentially South Africa is a flawed democracy better than most but could do better.

Currently, SA is a de facto One Party State.

20 years of Political dominance by the ANC has bread graft and corruption.

As the ANC is always elected they have no motivation to actually make the reforms necessary to improve the living standards of the poorest. The only well run areas are the ones the ANC doesn't control.

A lot of Afrikaners live in poverty, they rely on food aid to survive. I wish I had it to hand but there was an article recently on a news site where black South Africans were shown a video of their conditions and they were shocked.



There are a lot of misconceptions about Apartheid.

The reality is black South Africans had not only the highest living standards of any black population in Africa, they also had full political rights within their homelands. The likes of Mandela could only do what they did because they were educated in institutions created and payed for by the white man.

And the Boers were treated worse than dogs by the British and yet their solution wasn't to mass rape their own people.

Both right and wrong, right about the poor whites, wrong about Aparteid.

Mandela was educated during British rule, post British rule education for blacks fell off sharply with the result that as the population ages the literacy rate is actually falling.

I'll see if I can find the report later.

[gaelic cowboy]

There are a lot of misconceptions about Apartheid.

I dug a little deeper on the website and found this mission statement.

Our mission is three-fold:
1. To provide a forum and community of like-minded Christians who seek the preservation of their descendants in the lands of their ancestors, and who have not acquiesced to the contemporary idols of Cultural Marxism, multiculturalism, equality, and the heretical social gospel;

2. To influence and encourage debate, theological, cultural, and otherwise, within our denominations to dislodge and discredit the current unfortunate monolithic Marxist multiculturalism of the institutional churches; and

3. To evangelize and encourage those, among the most noble of our people, who have been alienated by the Church’s treasonous behavior towards their own homelands and people and thus drifted from the faith of their forefathers.

When I read it at first I thought it was just your standard evangelical paranoia about liberals etc etc except that it's not really is it.

Some good ole boy is hosting this website an it strikes me that this person whoever they are is close enough to Breviktown if you ask me.

Who Does America Belong To?

Alienism and Marxism in Complete Agreement

American Indians are a Social Construct

A Biblical Defense of Ethno-Nationalism

All I can say is I am shocked at how well put together this pile crypto-racism is tis almost cogent an nearly makes a warped sense. I can see now how easy it was to be codded by it all now for the Boers.

Till I read this bit on the about us tab on the website that is About Faith & Heritage Webzine

We affirm that all men, of every race, ethnicity, and tribe, are created in the image of God. However, this common humanity does not mean that all groups are equal in every respect, just as two brothers can share a common family but be blessed by Providence with vastly differing talents and abilities. We affirm that many of these differences have genetic components and thank God for the diversity of mankind.

We affirm that all attempts to amalgamate humans into one mixed mass are in open rebellion against God’s law and His sovereignly created boundaries.

It goes on an on but tis pretty obvious this is a henious website subtle about it but no less dangerous for it.

Bravo Rhy you had me going there for a while earlier on, where did you find that website it's a hoot.

[Kralizec]

they also had full political rights within their homelands.

The only reason the concept of homelands existed during apartheid was to serve as a pretext to deny them South African citizenship, and therefore the same services and political rights that whites had acces to. Many of them actually had SA citizenship at some point, only to be rebranded as foreigners and guest workers. Kind of similar to the "seperate but equal" nonsense in the USA.

[Kralizec]

"daggering"

Interesting...