Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
I told you that you were confused.

This isn't a question for rational debate, as I indicated at least a page back.

The fact that you don't "get" it strongly suggests I am right and you have no history as we in Europe understand it. If you did, I wouldn't have to try to explain it to you.

Let me try something else, you said the war was about the Social development of the "United States", but you ttok for granted that everyone would read "United States" and not "United States".

To you it is self evident that the Union should decide whether slavery was legal, to the Southern States this was obviously a reserved Right. It isn't about the Right to own slaves, it's about who has the Right to grant you the Right.
My response is the same, I think you're the one who's confused.

For the record the statement about "understanding history like we do in Europe" is that "we r old skool" mentality that Americans are so sick and tired of, and why you've been getting the responses from others like you have. We have our own collective history from the founding of our nation to before, up to now. Just because it doesn't stretch back thousands of years doesn't make it any less meaningful or comprehensive, or give us less perspective. In that regard, Europeans do need to get over themselves.

To the rest of it, I've been getting what you've said. I don't think you get it. The notion of southern "independence", or anything whatsoever that directly states or implies that the south is a separate entity from the rest of the US is flat out rejected. Any discussions along those lines or with that as a basis are pointless and will go nowhere. For the record, in the discussions I have had with deep southerners have never gone along these lines. I think you understand the whole North/South Civil War situation as well as I understand the England/Wales/Scotland situation. In that regard, "I guess you Europeans will never understand the concept and history behind the Civil War like we Americans do."