Things Strike Doesn't Understand About Modern Literature

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 10:49

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

It's not quite the same is it, also, Cinderella is a story to frighten children.

I tend to think so too, "profoundly lacking in judgement" would be a good summation - all Rob's troubles stem from her, including not having John at his side.

The thing is, no one in the books really seems to think so.

Which basically means everyone's a bit thick, or they have "plot blindess" to her failings because if Ned et al. just told her to shut up from book one everyone would have been better off.

not really she negotiated the freys to his side quite well but he went and messed it up.. but ye then she messed it up worse by releasing jamie, which i found annoying but is perfectly understanding from a mothers pov.

anyway where is Strike, im waiting for him to say that the only thing less pointless than adults reading fantasy books is adults discussing fantasy books, so i can nod in approval!

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 11:27

Originally Posted by The Stranger

not really she negotiated the freys to his side quite well but he went and messed it up.. but ye then she messed it up worse by releasing jamie, which i found annoying but is perfectly understanding from a mothers pov.

Only a really stupid mother would think it made sense. Tywin Lannister was never going to kill Sansa or Arya and he would never release them for Jaime.

So....

Beyond that, Caitlin bound Rob and his sisters to Freys in marriage, one might be acceptable but not the other - all your dynastic eggs in one basket?

Um, no.

Frey was unreasonable in the extreme and likely to be treacherous, admittedly if the Tully garrison had not been withdrawn Rob might not have had his unfortunate accident, but even so.

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 13:08

cmon... are you that heartless? you would let your own children die possibly (or even remain in captivity with the enemy with the threat of death always present) and not do anything about it when you have a chance, even a remote one to save them?

thats not stupid at all, and i think not only mothers would do it. ok, she is not an ordinary mother she is mother of a king, but she knows that and tried to fight it but then she heard her 2 youngest sons were dead she was just overcome with grief and she did what she did.

im starting to think that something is wrong with you rather than with the characters in grmm :P

(semi-joking...)

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 15:38

Originally Posted by The Stranger

cmon... are you that heartless? you would let your own children die possibly (or even remain in captivity with the enemy with the threat of death always present) and not do anything about it when you have a chance, even a remote one to save them?

thats not stupid at all, and i think not only mothers would do it. ok, she is not an ordinary mother she is mother of a king, but she knows that and tried to fight it but then she heard her 2 youngest sons were dead she was just overcome with grief and she did what she did.

im starting to think that something is wrong with you rather than with the characters in grmm :P

(semi-joking...)

Why would Tywin release Sansa or Arya once he has Jaime back?

He's not going to do it, he'd just laugh at you - that's obvious. The fact is, Martin presents this as a rational choice but if she had thought about it at all she would recognise that Jaime has no way to influence Tywin and Tywin has no reason to make a deal, as he already has what he wants - really obvious.

As to there being something wrong with me - well, probably, but I'm not a heartless bastard - I'm just not that monumentally stupid or uselessly sentimental over great distances.

By the time Jaime reached home Sansa could already be dead, and was in fact already gone.

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 16:03

you act like it was a rational descision but it wasnt, it was emotional... imo he doesnt present it as a rational choice at all.. if to try and save the life of your own kid seems uselessly sentimental to me i hope you will never have children or live in a group with other people relying on you.

**Greyblades** · 05-07-2012, 16:16

Also, she's ridiculously naiive.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-07-2012, 16:28

Originally Posted by The Stranger

you act like it was a rational descision but it wasnt, it was emotional... imo he doesnt present it as a rational choice at all.. if to try and save the life of your own kid seems uselessly sentimental to me i hope you will never have children or live in a group with other people relying on you.

I invite you to stick your head in the Bacnroom to see how my own mind works.

**The Stranger** · 05-07-2012, 16:47

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I invite you to stick your head in the Bacnroom to see how my own mind works.

:P i like you in the backroom haha

i mightve sounded a bit offensive i didnt mean it that way. i just think that how you feel about this matter is not representable for the majority of humanity.