The Elephant in the room.

[Beskar]

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

[Beskar]

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

Then that is what should be tackled, the failure of the action. However, the failure by one party doesn't give ground for widespread discrimination. Yes, the accused committed something terrible, people should have acted sooner. I don't think anyone would ever disagree on this point.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

Yes, because clearly I would like to see harm to PVC's sisters, opposed to a reality where I hope such a thing would never happen to them, even though I have never met them, nor something I would ever wish to happen to anyone even people I might dislike.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

[rvg]

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's what 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

Not quite - Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more. If you look up the actual quote, the subtext is "you can sleep with white girls, not marry them".

The point is that even in a moderate Indian household you have the same thinking - white girls are there to be used for fun, your own people aren't.

White girls are whores, because that's what a whore is, isn't ti - a woman you use for sex?

[rvg]

...Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more.

Perhaps that's what White parents need to do as well. Otherwise, it's just a reflection of reality: it's easier to get a White girl in bed as opposed to an Indian girl.

[Beskar]

what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

Agreed, but racism doesn't call for more racism in return. That is the only objection from me in this thread. On the part about integration, I believe you already know my views on this, as for my preference of an open/assimilation society, to quote a historian speaking about Rome. "You have all these people coming here, bringing with them new ideas and customs, all these are effectively consumed by Roman society, taking bits and pieces then spitting out what is effectively Roman".

I have also been on the receiving end of such racism before seven years ago when I was dating a Greek girl, she was forced by her father to break the relationship since I wasn't a "Good Greek Boy".

[Fragony]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

It did? I don't remember it. It's rather new and lefties don't like it as people might just get some doubts about multiculture. That happened here as the police so scared about the mlticultural left (with good reason) that they simply didn't act. They could lose their job because things just aren't the way people from 100% white neighbourhoods say you got to say it is. Buy a ticket for the Marry Poppins musical ffs I heard it is pretty good if you like that kind of thing