North Carolina Passes Amendment Banning Same-sex Unions

[Kralizec]

I'm pretty sure I've said that divorce is too available - and that adulterers should be prosecuted for perjury.



While this is true - it begs the question of why the population of people engaging in homsexual sex is so low today and why it was higher historically. It seems unlikely we have all but bread it out in the last 2,000 years - so the only alternative is to conclude that the neurological differences are not deterministic.

It doesn't have to be a genetic cause (and even if it were; it could be a recessive gene). I think one explanation that's quite in vogue nowadays is hormonal fluctuations in the mother's womb, but I'm no expert - or even a particulary interested layman.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I.... agree with this. Completely.

So, who wants to go first? PVC or Tuffstuff? No ranged weapons, name your poison. I pick the venue.

I don't believe in solving problems by violence - or gladiatorial combat.

It doesn't have to be a genetic cause (and even if it were; it could be a recessive gene). I think one explanation that's quite in vogue nowadays is hormonal fluctuations in the mother's womb, but I'm no expert - or even a particulary interested layman.

The problem with this approach is that it is highly regressive, it medicalises homosexuality. It's notable that exactly this medicalisation used to be held by the establishment until 1989 when the first biological links were actually found. At that point the Gay-right lobby went from, "we should be free to choose who we love" to "we were born this way".

More importantly, if homosexuality has a pathology it can be modified, i.e. homosexuals can be made heterosexual - a claim violently denied by the rights-lobby.

I know Frag wants me to accept I'm a narcicist so I'll seek treatment - because that's a medical condition and he presumably thinks I'll be happier.

If I said the same to a homosexual I would not get a positive response.

[Montmorency]

More importantly, if homosexuality has a pathology it can be modified, i.e. homosexuals can be made heterosexual - a claim violently denied by the rights-lobby.

In the same way that sensation of pain, or of anger, or individuality, or religious belief could hypothetically be modified. I'm surprised you are going there.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

In the same way that sensation of pain, or of anger, or individuality, or religious belief could hypothetically be modified. I'm surprised you are going there.

If the pathology is deterministic.

I'm not aware of a pathology for religious belief, I know it's possible to initiate something very like a minor "religious experience", such as one achieves through medatitive prayer - but that experience is still subjective. When they stuck Richard Dawkins under the God Helmet he said it itched.

I'm not going there - I'm following the train of thought.

[Montmorency]

You were only discussing it in terms it of psychiatrically treatable mental pathology?

Oh...

Hehehe

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You were only discussing it in terms it of psychiatrically treatable mental pathology?

Oh...

Hehehe

Oh yes?

Why don't you share with the group?

Unfortunately - those twin studies seem to indicate there is not a biological factor which is deterministic.

[Ironside]

Oh yes?

Why don't you share with the group?

Unfortunately - those twin studies seem to indicate there is not a biological factor which is deterministic.

Unless you're going to argue that over 50% are secretly gay, then it still has a significant biological factor.

Similar to left handedness (or right handedness) that's totally a concious choise... 2 left handed parents still only got less than 50% of their children being left handed, far from 100%, but much higher than the population average. Having one laft handed and one right handed identical twin is not that uncommon, way more common that having 2 left handed one for example.