The Elephant in the room.

[HoreTore]

Nope. Reality.

There have been reports of this sort of behaviour for years. Nothing was done about it and it was swept under the carpet. A Labour MP raised concerns about the lack of action five years or more ago in the House of Commons. There was a police investigation in Leeds earlier in the last decade that was quietly dropped.

Reality? Are you sure what it is?

How many times do I have to repeat the fact that these men were caught, sentenced and given additional penalty because of their "culture"?

[InsaneApache]

They were allowed to get away with it for years.

Reverse the roles.

A gang of BNP skinheads went around 'grooming' young asian lasses, plying them with drink and passing them around like a bong. Do you really believe that nothing would be done for the best part of a decade?

A chance to stop the gang was missed in 2008 by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service who have apologised for failings. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is spearheading an investigation into the botched inquiry.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...jail-1-4531005

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

How many times do I have to repeat the fact that these men were caught, sentenced and given additional penalty because of their "culture"?

The issue was first raised in 2002, a report was passed to the Police in 2005 - they were not arrested until 2010, no operation was underway to investigate the issue until 2009.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-to-act.html

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18005266

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17853560

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sentenced.html


There is an IPCC investigation on-going, this is an acknowledged issue now.

While we're here, let's look at this guy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-abusers.html

He says it's a cultural problem - and presumably he's qualified to offer that opinion - but he also says it's not about religion or Pakistani culture - it's about how they see white girls.

[HoreTore]

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

I dissagree - your paradigm is flawed, because abuse that happened 30 years ago was covered up because that was the "done" thing - the institional abuse in Plymouth at a toddler group was acted on relatively swiftly once it was discovered - not after a decade or so.

[Fragony]

Even more turmoil in Oslo today. Traffic jammed for hours, all because of someone who really doesn't belong there. Police had no other choice than shooting it as he was on fire.

Wth is a moose doing the middle of Oslo hehe

[HoreTore]

I dissagree - your paradigm is flawed, because abuse that happened 30 years ago was covered up because that was the "done" thing - the institional abuse in Plymouth at a toddler group was acted on relatively swiftly once it was discovered - not after a decade or so.

Sadly, that Plymouth incident you refer to is the exception.

Find the statistic for number of people convicted of rape. Then compare that to the estimated number of rapes per year. The stats are horrible.

The only unusual thing about this case, is that someone were actually convicted. The majority of rapes are simply not reported. The majority of the rapes who are reported, end up being dropped. The majority of those who do end up in court doesn't get a conviction. That's the state of sexual crime.

That's what should be discussed, not crackpot theories from fascists.

[Fragony]

Being called a fascist is kinda becomming a badge of honour really, mentally block problem all you want, changes nada. It's a typical leftist mistake to confuse how they want things to be and what simply is. And what simply is is that white girls are targeted by muslim immigrants.

[HoreTore]

Being called a fascist is kinda becomming a badge of honour really, mentally block problem all you want, changes nada. It's a typical leftist mistake to confuse how they want things to be and what simply is. And what simply is is that white girls are targeted by muslim immigrants.

That was the case here, according to the judge who gave them a harder punishment because of it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sadly, that Plymouth incident you refer to is the exception.

Find the statistic for number of people convicted of rape. Then compare that to the estimated number of rapes per year. The stats are horrible.

The only unusual thing about this case, is that someone were actually convicted. The majority of rapes are simply not reported. The majority of the rapes who are reported, end up being dropped. The majority of those who do end up in court doesn't get a conviction. That's the state of sexual crime.

That's what should be discussed, not crackpot theories from fascists.

We are talking about under-age rape by an organised ring of abusers - a very distinct type of rape which is much easier to detect and prosecute than your communal-garden rape which tends to happen within relationships and involve both parties being intoxicated.

I've seen the statistics - I don't entirely buy into the standard interpretattion because they ignore that A: a proportion of rape reports will be malicious, and afterwards retracted or fall apart, and B: a proportion will be simply impossible to prove one way or the other, likely because the act was not itself clear cut. Added to that, unreported rapes are just that - unreported. If 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 women are "survivors" then at least 1 in 6 men much be rapists, and I frankly don't buy that.

[InsaneApache]

Trevor Phillips, the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the fact that the men convicted were Asian and their victims white could not be ignored.

He expressed concern that the men came from closed communities which may have turned a blind eye to what was happening - either out of fear or because the girls concerned were from a different community.

And he said it would be a national scandal if it turned out the authorities had failed to intervene to protect the children because of fears that it would lead to the "demonisation" of the Asian community.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-relevant.html

[InsaneApache]

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

The police didn't want to investigate in case fingers were wagged and pointed with accusations of racism. It's been like this since the Macpherson report. Probably the most damaging rotten report ever commissioned by Parliament. The idea that racism is in your head and not that of the other is Kafkaesque.