Re: The Elephant in the room.
Again, a reported rape is not the same thing as a sentenced rape. The number of people who got sentenced is probably so low because it's Norway.
It is not 'known' by the way they are pretty clear about 'where the subject was identified'
Ad in all cases it was a non-western immigrant. All.
Last edited by Fragony; 05-27-2012 at 00:37.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Yes, all five were immigrants, noone is disbuting that. They did not make the comment about the reported rapes, they did it with the cases where there was a known perpetrator(kjent gjerningsmann). The only way that terminology can be used in cases like these, is when the suspect is sentenced and the case is closed.Originally Posted by Fragony
Until then, you have a "suspect". If the suspect is identified in a murder or assault rape case, it goes to trial straight away. Only in smaller crimes, like theft, are known suspects sometimes not charged.
They did, however, make two statements. One of them was about the known suspects, of which there were five. Then they made a second statement about the reported rapes, and said that in those cases there were several suspects who were "likely norwegian"(ie. the victim says it was a norwegian).
Don't count on facts getting through the racist blogosphere though, only hyperbole and loes by omission get throug there.
Also, there may be plenty of other mistranslations in that video. I only glanced at the subs and immediatly found one glaring "mistake".
Last edited by HoreTore; 05-27-2012 at 00:49.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
And just to be clear:
You have changed your initial statement, that 'all rapes were by muslims', to 'all rapes are done by non-western men', right?
Care to tell why you have changed it?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
It's an official report by your own police, excuse us for noticing it. Why do you persist on talking about these 5 who got convicted, court is not the police
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Since things get more technical precision is a good thing, you said it was a lie. Quite a statement. Especially because it's your own police.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
For the very last time:
The report says that the 5 men who were convicted were all non-western.
The report also says that they have descriptions of ethnic norwegians in several other assault rape cases.
Can I possibly make it any more straightforward?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Here's some fun for you:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...l#.T8FzD9RhiK0
Two men suspected of assault rape. One of them was foreign, I'll give you that. But the other one:
"I tillegg har politiet siktet, men ikke pågrepet, en 20 år gammel etnisk norsk mann. Politiet har navn på vedkommende."
Translation:
"In addition, the police has charged, but not arrested, a 20 year old ethnic norwegian man. Thepolice have the name of the man."
Voilá.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
As hypocrytical as this may be; could you guys stop trying to get the last word? It's gatting boring.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: The Elephant in the room.
This is a good take on "the last word":
The police report in question.
Go nuts with it.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
...I cant read that.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: The Elephant in the room.
It's a wonderful opportunity to learn a new language then!
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
...ah crud, more homework.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: The Elephant in the room.
No it doesn't, it says that all reported assault rapes where the rapist could be identified in the last 5 years the rapist was of non western origin. Surily there were also Norwegian suspects.
Last edited by Fragony; 05-28-2012 at 08:26.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Oh for crying out loud...
From the report. Chapter "Gjerningsmann"(perpetrator), page 55:
"Den etniske profilen varierer innenfor de ulike voldtektsprofilene, men for samtlige unntatt overfallsvoldtekt er norske gjerningspersoner den største gruppen. Overfallsvoldtektene omhandler imidlertid kun 6 forhold, hvor samme gjerningsperson sto ansvarlig for to forhold(5 unike personer mistenkt/siktet i 6 anmeldelser). I 4 av de 6 anmeldelsene (3 unike menn) var gjerningspersonen fra midtøsten, i en overfallsvoldtekt var mannen fra afrika, og i en annen fra asia. Påstanden om at utlendinger står bak alle overfallsvoldtekter støttes dermed av disse tallene, skjønt basisen for uttalelsen er liten og utvalget spesielt. To av de 5 ulike identifiserte gjerningsmennene bak ovrfallsvodtekt var svært unge - under 18 år - og to hadde alvorlige psykiatriske diagnoser. Dersom man utvider med også de 16 overfallsvoldtektene der personen ikke er identifisert, men gitt et signalement fra offerets side, oppstår et annet bilde: 8 av gjerningspersonene hadde afrikansk/mørlhudet utseende, 5 var vestlige/lyse/nordiske og 4 hadde asiatisk utseende. Hvor mange gjerningspersoner som står bak disse beskrivelsene på gjerningspersoner er usikkert, siden gjerningspersonene bak overfallsvoldtekt har en tendens til å begå flere overgrep."
Translation:
"The ethnic profile varies in the different profiles of rape, but for all except assault rape, Norwegian offenders is the largest group. Assault rapes, however, deals with only 6 cases, where the same perpetrator was responsible for two cases (5 unique individuals suspected / accused in 6 cases). In 4 of the 6 cases (3 unique men) the perpetrator was from the Middle East, in one assault rape the was man from Africa, and in another from Asia. The claim that foreigners are behind every attack rapes is thus supported by these figures, though the basis for the statement is small and the range is special. Two of the 5 different identified perpetrators of assault rape were very young - under 18 - and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses. If you expand with the 16 assault rapes in which the person is not identified, but given a description from the victim's hand, you get a different picture: 8 of the perpetrators had African /darkskinned appearance, 5 had western/light/Nordic and 4 had Asian appearance. How many perpetrators behind these descriptions of offenders is uncertain, since the perpetrators behind assault rape tend to commit more offenses."
So in conclusion: the 100%-thingy comes from a total of 5 people. Expanded with the 16 cases without a known identity, but with witness reports, and you get 5 western/lightskinned/nordic men.
The racist blogosphere can't read.
And I have no idea where you have the "5 years from". This report only deals with rapes reported to the police from 1.1.2010 to 31.12.2010.
Last edited by HoreTore; 05-28-2012 at 10:16.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7t5...e_gdata_player
Your 5 or 6 is just who got convicted, called a smokescreen
Last edited by Fragony; 05-28-2012 at 10:38.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
I was actually wrong about needing conviction in order to be called "identified". Being caught by the police and have charges pressed against you is enough.
So, from the 22 assault rapes in 2010:
5 people identified, all non-western.
16 additional assault rapes, 5 committed by ethnic norwegians.
Your statement that "all rapes are done by foreigners" is undeniably false. No shock there.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
You can keep saying that but your own authorities say something else, and theysay it right there. They say 41 cases where the subject could be identified. And 41 may not look like a lot but it happens in a relatively small area of a not that big city with a rather small non-western community.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
As for your video, I found a glaring error even earlier this time. The video says it's from April 10. 2010, while in the real world(which is a different one from the world the racist vlad tepes lives on), it's from 2009. Obviously, they felt it was more up to date if they bumped it up a year.
The data in the article is from 06-08, and not very up to date.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Yes, in the years 2006, 2007 and 2008, there were 41 assault rapes committed according to one statement, and all committed by non-western men. 2009 is too far back in history for me to remember what happened, so I don't have anything to counter that(and by that I mean follow-ups to the story).
In 2010, however, 5 of 22 rapes were committed by ethnic norwegians. Hence your statement is false even without knowing how many rapes occured in 2009 and 2011.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
So it is exactly as the report says after all. Can't find any numbers about 2010, report is from 2010 so they obviously can't have them. Doubt they made a new one people could start having doubts about it being an enrichment of Norwegian culture
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Uhm, what?
The fact is that ethnic norwegians have committed assault rapes in Oslo. By the way, funny how you haven't heard about the other assault rapes(outside Oslo)... Perhaps because they're not dominated by immigrants? The report I posted and which is the basis of your first video is from 2011, with data from 2010. You second video(from 2009, not 2010) points at a "something"(ie. not a report) made in 2009, based on data from 7 rapes in 2006, 20 in 2007 and 14 in 2008.
As for when the next report is due, it's likely 2013/14 as they've made one every third/fourth year.
Get thy facts straight. And quit your lying.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
I am just echoing what the report says, if the report is wrong I'm not lying just informed wrongly, but since you just admitted that indeed in all 41 cases it was a non-western i migrant I'm not worried. It's relevant because the big cities are the only places where there are a significant (but still small) non-western community. Where there is no enrichment of Norwegian culture it will of course look different. If the next report is due for 2013 than this was the most recent one. We will see what 2013 has to offer. I bet it will once again not look very good, I got family there and they say it's getting increasingly grimm, they are looking into moving to Canada if they can get a good price for their house.
Re: The Elephant in the room.
The report isn't wrong, but you haven't understood what it says. Also, you are confusing two different reports. One actual report(the one I linked to) from 2011, and one article from 2009. The two does not report on the same time period.
As for "small", well, that's highly subjective, isn't it? The immigrant percentage in Oslo is around 20-25%. Some will see it as large, others will see it as small. Oslo, as the major city, has a higher percentage than other cities, but the difference isn't that big in cities like Bergen, Trondheim, Stavanger and my own, Drammen(which according to islamophobes is a ghetto).
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
What exactly do I not understand then, that is exactly what I claimed.
About 2010, 5 assault rapes out 22 with a population of non-western immigrants that is about 20% of the population isn't something that I would be very proud about. I am sure you can do the math on how much more likely a non-western immigrant is going to commit this crime. I am also kinda suspicious about the ethnic norwegian thingie, not that I am not going to take your word of it but number-wizards here often count second generation immigrants as native Dutchies to hide the fact that criminality among muslim youths is outragiously high
Re: The Elephant in the room.
A second generation pakistani wouldn't have light skin and the appearance of a norwegian. It could of course be a Swede or something. The point is that the identity is unknown, all there is to go after is the witness description. I find it hard to believe that a witness is able to tell a first gen immigrant from a second gen immigrant. Your paranoia strikes again.
As for my point:
You claimed that every single one of the assault rapes in Oslo were committed by muslim immigrants, then you changed it to immigrants. It was mostly given without a time(which must mean that you refer to the current day), sometimes you talked abiut the last 5 years. This is undeniably false, and my point has been to prove just that.
Last edited by HoreTore; 05-28-2012 at 20:20.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
This is so off the point that the point has gotten bored, gone home, hooked up with it's old highschool band, became famous and is currently jacking it on a san diego pavement, totally oblivious that there is someone who used to be on it other than female groupies and expensive whores.
Last edited by Greyblades; 05-28-2012 at 20:22.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: The Elephant in the room.
No I didn't, I said reported ones
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Indeed.
...and that's still wrong, as there are reported assault rapes(5 in 2010) with ethnic norwegian suspects.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Report is from 2010, which means it looks at years prior ffs
Re: The Elephant in the room.
Sigh....
The report is from 2011. The data in it is from 2010 alone. It came out just over a year ago, in May 2011.
Your second video is from 2009, even though it says 2010, and has nothing to do with the report.
Last edited by HoreTore; 05-28-2012 at 22:14.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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