Crusader Kings II

[rickinator9]

You'll be king sooner than that. You only need 50% of the de jure counties to create the kingdom. It'll cost you a fair bit of gold, but it is SO worth it.

Don't forget the 200 Piety, which I usually find the most difficult condition for creating kingdoms.

[Hooahguy]

Don't forget the 200 Piety, which I usually find the most difficult condition for creating kingdoms.

What? Dang this will take a while. I only have like 50 piety, and even then it fluctuates.

[The Stranger]

if you have money you can buy piety :) but its quite expensive and you only get 25 for each time

[The Stranger]

Sweet. Now Im totally going to play more instead of doing my Logic homework.

UPDATE: So once again a vassal rebelled. This time France and England joined in. Pretty hard. Had to raise mercs to stay afloat and even then it was very tough. I chased off the foreign armies while capturing the rebelling lord. I promptly executed him. I also captured the King of England and a host of English commanders in battle. Ended up killing one of them for the heck of it, then ransoming the others. When that was all said and done, I betrothed my 12 year old daughter to the King of Scotland. Not sure what that will do but we will see. My eldest son came of age which means I cant marry him off (I forgot to set a betrothal before). Maybe Ill marry him off to an English lord and go from there. Now Im just waiting for my wife to die. Or make me more babies.

Now that I think about it, this game is kinda for psychos.

if you are going to take the relations hit with other vassals its better to banish him. then you get his lands and money. if not then just let him rot in prison and he will die eventually. so far i've never really used execution and I fail to see what purpose it serves except for roleplaying reasons

and ye, except for your own life and that of your heir, human lives are quite dispensable in the game :P

[Hooahguy]

Ugh. Wife died, then son rebelled and usurped two of my provinces. I went from having six, and about to start a kingdom, to having only four. And my son is a and still my heir.

Well, all I gotta do is hold what I have and wait to die so my eldest will combine all of us. Though I got an offer by some Italian lord to marry his daughter. So I did, and now she's pregnant. This might cause problems.

[rickinator9]

if you are going to take the relations hit with other vassals its better to banish him. then you get his lands and money. if not then just let him rot in prison and he will die eventually. so far i've never really used execution and I fail to see what purpose it serves except for roleplaying reasons

and ye, except for your own life and that of your heir, human lives are quite dispensable in the game :P

Execution is pretty handy if someone has you as his heir.

[The Stranger]

why? you can pretty much plot kill everyone.

first u need to capture someone, that already makes it quite useless. but in case u really need someone dead, and you cant get enough ppl to join ur plot and u dont have enough money or intrigue to kill him and you actually manage to capture him then ye... you might consider execution :P

there are just so many quicker ways with less relation penalty which make execution pretty useless.

i only actually execute infidels :P

[Hooahguy]

Alright, so is there a way to "kill myself?" I really want my ruler to die already so his son can unite the two major Irish kingdoms and my current guy just wont die.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Go on crusade? Holy War someplace remote and send one county's levy with yourself at the front.

[Hooahguy]

Theres no crusade happening, though one ended around a decade ago. I didnt participate since I was busy at home.

[Fisherking]

Alright, so is there a way to "kill myself?" I really want my ruler to die already so his son can unite the two major Irish kingdoms and my current guy just wont die.

Fire your spymaster and attempt to kill a Muslim ruler. That is what most people recommend.

[Hooahguy]

Go on crusade? Holy War someplace remote and send one county's levy with yourself at the front.

Actually a crusade just started. Sent myself over there 3 times already, got crushed, and yet still alive.

EDIT: Waged a war to obtain Meath, won and title went to my heir. I then promptly died. Then the Kingdom of Ireland was born! Now all I got to do is put the rest of Ireland under my control and I think then I can move onto the Game of Thrones mod.

[The Stranger]

offer the other counts and dukes vassalisation. most if not all will accept.

[Monk]

Actually a crusade just started. Sent myself over there 3 times already, got crushed, and yet still alive.

EDIT: Waged a war to obtain Meath, won and title went to my heir. I then promptly died. Then the Kingdom of Ireland was born! Now all I got to do is put the rest of Ireland under my control and I think then I can move onto the Game of Thrones mod.

You are their de jure (lawful) ruler so like stranger said most of them will accept vassalisation if you ask. If they don't, the unification wars will be easy. Half the trouble is forming the title in the first place.

[Hooahguy]

Well, Iunited Ireland. I guess its off to the GoT mod? Maybe I should try to take over England and Scotland too...

[The Stranger]

the got mod isnt finished yet, if i were u i would wait untill the SoI patch is finished and the GoT mod will really gear up.

[Hooahguy]

Taking over Scotland and England it is!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, I builted a city in one of my counties but it says that the holding have a wrong holder type? So, do I have to create a vassal(mayor)?

[rickinator9]

So, I builted a city in one of my counties but it says that the holding have a wrong holder type? So, do I have to create a vassal(mayor)?

Pretty much. It's bad, but not any more bad than having city as a county capital.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If city is county capital then what would happen? Btw, can't I change the county capital type?

[Kekvit Irae]

If city is county capital then what would happen? Btw, can't I change the county capital type?

It's better to let a vassal rule the city/county than take the opinion hit for ruling a city personally. And no, once they are built, you cant change holdings.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Is it wise to build one from each of them into the county if it is possible? So far I have tried to have 1 from each of them.

[Chaotix]

Is it wise to build one from each of them into the county if it is possible? So far I have tried to have 1 from each of them.

Typically I find it pays to have one castle and the rest be cities, with possibly one bishopric.

The income boost you get from cities far outstrips what you get from castles. Since battles are mostly about numbers and commander skill, having the high-quality troops of extra castles doesn't really make up for the fact you could be using the extra money from extra cities to just hire mercenaries if you really need them. And if you don't need them, you can use the money for other things, like building more cities and getting even more money.

The only place a castle might beat a city is in a landlocked area, like HRE, Hungary, or Russia.

I wouldn't ever build a new bishopric, personally. The ones you start out with are good in the early game, but by the time you actually have the spare cash to build new holdings, you are likely far enough along in tech that they start to become mediocre compared to the other two. Also, bishops don't have to pay you anything or give you any troops if they don't like you, so there's that.

[Kekvit Irae]

Is it wise to build one from each of them into the county if it is possible? So far I have tried to have 1 from each of them.

That's not really a bad idea if you have other counties that are specialized or if the county you want to generalize is out of the way or not on the coast. The problem of specializing is that if you specialize in castles, your economy is going to suck hard in that county. If you go all-in on churches, you'll have a strong economy and military, but if the bishops like the Pope more than you, you get NOTHING. And with towns, your military will suffer. So the advantage of spreading out your holding types is that you get a bit of all three, and your other holdings in that county will support a failing holding.

[Ignoramus]

Finally got this and have been playing as Gwynedd from 1066.

Man, that is hard (but good!). I've got all of Wales proper, but due to an unfortunate marriage with the Duchess of Aquitaine, half my family have ended being Occitan in culture. Whenever I manage to accrue the 200 piety to form the Kingdom of Wales, it's always with the wrong ruler. Also finding it difficult to hold on to anything outside of Wales - took Isle of Man about 40 years ago, but now the Scots just pressed their de jure claim to the island.

In a funnier episode, in the previous game I played as them, I made the mistake of marrying my brother to the Countess of Warwick, and then the scumbag Duke of Lancaster pressed his claim on to Gwynedd, just after a bankrupting war with England (Lancaster had split off from England). Then in a moment of folly, I offered my fealty to the King of England, who proceeded to strip me of my titles one by one. Live and learn.

Also, how do you change your primary title? I haven't managed to find out how to do that yet.

[Kekvit Irae]

Also, how do you change your primary title? I haven't managed to find out how to do that yet.

Click the heraldry (shield) icon on your character sheet and then choose which title you want to set as a primary.

[The Stranger]

Typically I find it pays to have one castle and the rest be cities, with possibly one bishopric.

The income boost you get from cities far outstrips what you get from castles. Since battles are mostly about numbers and commander skill, having the high-quality troops of extra castles doesn't really make up for the fact you could be using the extra money from extra cities to just hire mercenaries if you really need them. And if you don't need them, you can use the money for other things, like building more cities and getting even more money.

The only place a castle might beat a city is in a landlocked area, like HRE, Hungary, or Russia.

I wouldn't ever build a new bishopric, personally. The ones you start out with are good in the early game, but by the time you actually have the spare cash to build new holdings, you are likely far enough along in tech that they start to become mediocre compared to the other two. Also, bishops don't have to pay you anything or give you any troops if they don't like you, so there's that.

you need 1 of each to build more than one 1 of each. so you cant build more cities if you already have 1 city 1 castle but no bisphoric.

like said before, castles in the mainland, cities on the coast (some preferable ruled by doges so you can benefit from it) because cities generally also give more navy.

[naut]

Pretty much. It's bad, but not any more bad than having city as a county capital.

Or a Church! Germany is the worst for that, makes provinces like Hamburg and Bremen worthless!

[Monk]

SoI pre-launch AAR from Doomdark: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...s-Eve-Mini-AAR

Lots of cool stuff but balance still looks screwy. I guess it's up to modders. *hint hint*

[Greyblades]

I've been playing a bit of that Game of thrones mod. Its pretty good, though random chance is really making things really weird.

I started my first game as tywin lannister, I'm watching roberts rebellion, really trying to get jamie back bt for some reason he wont do it because he has no reason to leave... Ok, I guess that makes sense, with the whole kingsguard being illustrious and- wait I got an event, tywin aparantly lost his cyncism for no reason...
Ok...
Back to the war, looks like roberts having a bit of trouble beating back the tyrells and this fog of war is making things hard to- wait what? Tywin died of natural causes at age 39!? Tyrion aged 12 inherits the westerlands? CRUD!