Global Climate Disruption.

[Fragony]

It spreads to mainstream media? I didn't notice any sceptics in it maybe that's just me. It will remain in the bloggosphere because sceptics have no acces to it

[CBR]

Could you at least wait a bit longer before you post, you know just so it looks like you have watched the two videos!!

The documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" is by definition mainstream media. And what about the "skeptical" links provided in several posts in the thread. Hardly all from the blogosphere.

[Fragony]

Could you at least wait a bit longer before you post, you know just so it looks like you have watched the two videos!!

The documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" is by definition mainstream media

never heard of it, was it aired in Denmark

[CBR]

Yes it was aired here. It managed to piss off even some of the skeptical scientists because it misrepresented their opinions and research. Several things were then changed later on. Don't know if we were so "lucky" to see the edited or original version.

It was a great piece of manipulated garbage. Although it's from 2007 things have not changed much as many of the arguments are AFAIK still used http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

[Fragony]

Yes it was aired here. It managed to piss off even some of the skeptical scientists because it misrepresented their opinions and research. Several things were then changed later on. Don't know if we were so "lucky" to see the edited or original version.

It was a great piece of manipulated garbage. Although it's from 2007 things have not changed much as many of the arguments are AFAIK still used http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

Not here, here kids are dragged at their hair screaming into watching Al Gore's lies, mandatory skullfuck

[CBR]

Was shown here too but I did not see it. From what I read the science in general is sound, but some things might have been more clear like the probability of the high rise in sea level. Either way there is no way one can say these two documentaries are equal in quality.

[Fragony]

When was is it shown

[CBR]

Google says July 2007 for The Great Global Warming Swindle and August same year for An Inconvenient Truth

[Strike For The South]

I have 47 mature trees on my property and plan on growing more. The way I see it, that gives me 47 carbon credits, 5 of which I have used:

1. Dumping Freon
2. Flushing my used motor oil down the toilet at the state fair
3. Burning tires
4. Shooting a bald eagle
5. Dumping Freon

I have 42 credits left until my newly planted trees mature to the point of my current ones, which I expect will take about 78 years, so I have to pace myself on the freon dumping etc.

If everyone followed simple rules like mine and lived like I did, this old earth of ours would be a better place for my children.

See the joke here is carbon credits don't really solve anything. MRD could be postulating the only way to change anything is by slowing consumption but I have long since given up assuming anything about him other than his irrevrency and crippiling manic depresion

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

See the joke here is carbon credits don't really solve anything. MRD could be postulating the only way to change anything is by slowing consumption but I have long since given up assuming anything about him other than his irrevrency and crippiling manic depresion

Well "Carbon Credits" would work if the exchange was 2:1 - i.e. every time you do something bad plant two trees.

People should be rewarded for doing good things though.

It comes down to this - you wouldn't pipe the exhaust of your car back into the cab unless you wanted to kill yourself. Apply that to the planet and the argument is over.

[Major Robert Dump]

I should not have to plant anything to make up for my pollution if I buy property with a bunch of Carbon Credits already growing on it. When I paid for the land, I bought the unused Carbon Credits from the owner.

I mean, this is how US Cap and Trade works, right? IIRC, that was the most groundbreaking-est, awesome-est, green-est environment saving invention ever from the government, certainly not a tax money grab like everyone said.

So, Philipvs, keep your government out of my carbon credits

[InsaneApache]

Well said Sir.

[Fragony]

Google says July 2007 for The Great Global Warming Swindle and August same year for An Inconvenient Truth

I googled it and it's pro-believer

[CBR]

I googled it and it's pro-believer

The Great Global Warming Swindle is pro believer? Believer in what?

[Fragony]

The Great Global Warming Swindle is pro believer? Believer in what?

That we have to be absolutely terrified of CO2 of course.

Maybe I misunderstood you but I took it as you meaning that sceptics were given a stage in Denmark and that there is a balanced debate in Danish media, but that is not the case here.

[CBR]

That we have to be absolutely terrified of CO2 of course.

If that is what you got out of searching on The Great Global Warming Swindle then we don't have the same internets!

[Fragony]

If that is what you got out of searching on The Great Global Warming Swindle then we don't have the same internets!

You were right, I was wrong. Got on a wrong page somehow my bad, the swindle swindel or something. Good for Denmark. Sometimes I think I am living in a green DDR-like thought police-state.

[CBR]

You were right, I was wrong. Got on a wrong page somehow my bad, the swindle swindel or something.

Erm you mean this one : http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html The same link I provided in post #402 ?

That link was to show you the level of manipulation and misinformation in that documentary. Such a documentary does absolutely nothing for a debate.

[Fragony]

Erm you mean this one : http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html The same link I provided in post #402 ?

That link was to show you the level of manipulation and misinformation in that documentary. Such a documentary does absolutely nothing for a debate.

That one.

But that isn't to say there is nothing to say though, it's like saying a rolex made you missed your train. No matter that they can predict warm and cold periods with absolute precision and there was never an industrial revolution in any of hem. Just this ond where people hate industial. They just happen.

[CBR]

But that isn't to say there is nothing to say though, it's like saying a rolex made you missed your train. No matter that they can predict warm and cold periods with absolute precision and there was never an industrial revolution in any of hem. Just this ond where people hate industial. They just happen.

I'm not sure what you are saying there. The science is not important because you know their intent, which is anti-industrial, or sumfink?

[Fragony]

I'm not sure what you are saying there. The science is not important because you know their intent, which is anti-industrial, or sumfink?

It's a new religion, lefties need something new to scream against since the wall fell. I wish it stayed. There is nothing scientific about the global-warming hoax, it's nothing but a very good scam where oil companies get to trade emmision rights which involve billions of dollars/euro's

Reality check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading

[CBR]

Ah, so because politicians do idiotic things then the whole science behind it is all a lie. It's wonderful, because you don't have to worry about spending any time trying to figure out the science behind it, you already know it's all wrong! Last time I saw similar reasons to dismiss science, would be religious fanatics who thinks it's all about those damn atheists and seculars.

Of course it did not start after the wall fell, but a bit earlier than that: Global Warming: What We Knew in 82 Yes, a whole 10 minutes of video that you will either not watch or simply just deny.

[Fragony]

Ah, so because politicians do idiotic things then the whole science behind it is all a lie. It's wonderful, because you don't have to worry about spending any time trying to figure out the science behind it, you already know it's all wrong! Last time I saw similar reasons to dismiss science, would be religious fanatics who thinks it's all about those damn atheists and seculars.

Of course it did not start after the wall fell, but a bit earlier than that: Global Warming: What We Knew in 82 Yes, a whole 10 minutes of video that you will either not watch or simply just deny.

It's all fine with me, any sitution is perfectly fine with me. you won't make it though sorry ín advance

[CBR]

I won't make it?? Does that mean you're telling me I won't live forever?!!

[Furunculus]

ice shelf is doing fine:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06...e_not_melting/

fingers crossed IPCC5 will actually be useful, insomuch as good policy can be based off it.

[Fragony]

Of course it is. Typical green mistake, you can't just decide the poles are melting, it really has to be true

[InsaneApache]

When the computer models and reality collide then it's reality that needs amending.

[CBR]

Fragony, you asked me at one point:

How could sceptics manipulate me in the same way believers can?

When a journalist use the title: Antarctic ice shelves not melting at all, new field data shows and the news release discuss only one ice shelf (the Fimbul Ice Shelf, which is the 6th largest of the 43 in the Antarctic area) http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_arc.../2012-31.shtml

Funny thing is that the Fimbul Ice Shelf seems to be part of the Antarctica where not much was happening to begin with http://nsidc.org/icelights/2012/01/1...e-and-climate/ So it is all very interesting science but it is no ice shattering discovery that some like to think.

Fingers crossed that IPCC does not jump the gun like some other people....

[InsaneApache]

Fingers crossed that IPCC does not jump the gun like some other people....

Well it'd make a nice change from just making stuff up.

[Fragony]

Fragony, you asked me at one point:



When a journalist use the title: Antarctic ice shelves not melting at all, new field data shows and the news release discuss only one ice shelf (the Fimbul Ice Shelf, which is the 6th largest of the 43 in the Antarctic area) http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_arc.../2012-31.shtml

Funny thing is that the Fimbul Ice Shelf seems to be part of the Antarctica where not much was happening to begin with http://nsidc.org/icelights/2012/01/1...e-and-climate/ So it is all very interesting science but it is no ice shattering discovery that some like to think.

Fingers crossed that IPCC does not jump the gun like some other people....

It's all explained in the article I don't see the problem, you always have to read between the lines, but it simply can't be denied that believers have almost unlimited recources when compared to sceptics, it's not a fair fight at all.