Global Climate Disruption.

[Greyblades]

Now that's creative thinking.

I'm a dwarf fortress player, its in my nature to harness deadly substances, that the construction will likely kill off half the workforce doesnt matter if it keeps me in running water and thinking trinkets are worth collecting..

[Fragony]

Actually something similarly is already being done in Iceland, just not with wind turbines (steam turbines). Trouble is, if you don't have an proper, active and preferably punctual geiser handy you're pretty much out of luck. Volcanoes either tend not to be very cooperative for 24x7 power or alternatively a bit too giving (destroying your equipment in a blaze of volcanic power aka eruption).

If you dig deep enough you can have thermal power here as well, it costs you 30.000 euro or so. It isn't really worth it, but it's possible. It's only for warming up water of course.

[Furunculus]

flombayed legionarries:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07...limate_change/

[Fragony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inss...e_gdata_player

To the credit of the Church of Global Warming though, Rome fell

[CBR]

It is funny to see how tree rings suddenly are cool (get it?) when they produce the data people like to see.

Another fail from Lewis Page. Not that it is a big surprise though, but funny nonetheless. This headline: Climate was HOTTER in Roman, medieval times than now. Andthat is based on Northern Scandinavian data only. Wow how more local can you get while still making bold statements. Heck there is more silliness in his article, but why waste more time on him than I have to.

From the comments it shows that he doesn't convince many. Heck, you will get more science from the comments than from the actual article. For some science and thoughts about the study, check here http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-developments/

[Fragony]

The Roman and medieval warmth are well known way before The global-warming hoax was invented by the Green Khmer. Any historian can tell you that.

[Tellos Athenaios]

If you believe the IPCC and co are "biased" or "selective", then by contrast L. Page is positively a top DC spinmeister for a presidential election or budget campaign of your choice.

[Furunculus]

It is funny to see how tree rings suddenly are cool (get it?) when they produce the data people like to see.

Another fail from Lewis Page. Not that it is a big surprise though, but funny nonetheless. This headline: Climate was HOTTER in Roman, medieval times than now. Andthat is based on Northern Scandinavian data only. Wow how more local can you get while still making bold statements. Heck there is more silliness in his article, but why waste more time on him than I have to.

From the comments it shows that he doesn't convince many. Heck, you will get more science from the comments than from the actual article. For some science and thoughts about the study, check here http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-developments/

Interesting link, cheers. Particularly the comments.

[Furunculus]

If you believe the IPCC and co are "biased" or "selective", then by contrast L. Page is positively a top DC spinmeister for a presidential election or budget campaign of your choice.

Page is a shocking defence correspondant!

[Tellos Athenaios]

He does tend to keep banging on and on about the same point, doesn't he?

Although it's a fair point that the UK is probably better off with actual planes on actual carriers rather than, say, lots of tanks.

[Papewaio]

Well tanks on aircraft carriers wouldnt be as useful methinks... Mind you you could convert it into a short range artillery emplacement perfect for roughing up at short range.

[CBR]

The Roman and medieval warmth are well known way before The global-warming hoax was invented by the Green Khmer. Any historian can tell you that.

And the data for the Northern Hemisphere still show them, so what is the problem?

[Fragony]

And the data for the Northern Hemisphere still show them, so what is the problem?

Indeed what's the problem. It isn't all that bad that the earth is cooling down, we are doing just fine.

[CBR]

Indeed what's the problem. It isn't all that bad that the earth is cooling down, we are doing just fine.

Cooling down? Oh yeah, the graph shows a trend of -0.31 C per 1000 years. A trend that stops around 1900, which is also where the dotted line stops.


Even the hockey stick shows a cooling trend, although the value varies a bit depending on what study it was. So no big surprise there...

[Fragony]

Yeah it's cooling down, flaggalism is fun I suppose. Why do people insist on us being able to change he climate? Should have sticked to christianity, also stupid but not that stupid

[CBR]

Why do people insist on us being able to change he climate?

By using methods that you are incapable or unwilling to ever understand or accept.

[Fragony]

By using methods that you are incapable or unwilling to ever understand or accept.

It's just impossible mia muca, we can't change the orbital pull that is responsible for all that with all these planets surrounding us. Sometimes earth is closer to the sun, sometimes a little further of it. It has the precision of a rolex watch if you look for not a 100 years but for millions.

[CBR]

Orbital pull??

That is why them scientists wants to find that Higgs boson (actually, how do we know such a thing exist? Oh yeah the scientists told us) as they can then control gravity and change the orbital pull.

[Fragony]

Orbital pull??

That is why them scientists wants to find that Higgs boson (actually, how do we know such a thing exist? Oh yeah the scientists told us) as they can then control gravity and change the orbital pull.

All about the money, there is a lot of money in doomsday. Global-warming is just another one. Fall for it fine, but I don't.

[CBR]

Yes it is all about the money of course. The scientists have an eye on the more than $500 billion used globally on subsidies for fossil fuels. They also know they can't keep on convincing everyone about fusion power, which always seem to be just a few decades away (they claim)

Luckily, as seen in Madrid the people are starting to see the truth. Just how stupid do the politicians and scientists think we are?? We want cheap and affordable fossil energy, paid by taxes.

[Fragony]

Yes it is all about the money of course. The scientists have an eye on the more than $500 billion used globally on subsidies for fossil fuels. They also know they can't keep on convincing everyone about fusion power, which always seem to be just a few decades away (they claim)

Luckily, as seen in Madrid the people are starting to see the truth. Just how stupid do the politicians and scientists think we are?? We want cheap and affordable fossil energy, paid by taxes.

It's of no use to be arguing about religion with the religious, and it really comes to that really. They need their apocalypse I can't help that.

[CBR]

Oh it's religion AND they want your money? A bit like Scientology then.

[Fragony]

Oh it's religion AND they want your money? A bit like Scientology then.

Not just a bit

[CBR]

As Americans are discovering that plants need more than just CO2 to grow, I bet they would love some of that Greenland meltwater

But if course it is all not disasters as Greenland does indeed look quite nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUKvq1ynz9Y

[Fragony]

Greenland being green who would have thought, there was plenty of agriculture there during he medieval warmth

[CBR]

1. Adapt. Find better and more sustainable ways of cooling ourselves, growing more resilient crops and irrigation measures, preserving drinking water and pushing de-desalinization methods.
2. Alter our methods of powering our civilization. More for cost saving, pollution reduction, national security, and grid stabilization reasons than limiting carbon emissions; we need to develop more sustainable and varied ways of powering our lives. The increased global temperatures will put greater strain on our current networks. Correcting our current usage issues will have the added benefit of reducing carbon emissions which will satisfy the people who are obsessed with that stuff just to get them off of our backs.
3. Colonize other planets. Push the development of the moon and mars and eventually actualize Wall-E/Cowboy Bebop type stuff. For some reason preservation of the species is something that we care about, so we should be trying to do that long after the sun burns out or we collide with another galaxy.

Any thoughts?

#3 is pretty fanciful and is gonna cost a helluva lot of money and will be for a few people only. Might as well build big domes in the deserts here on Earth.

Both #1 and #2 are needed. We have not seen the end of increasing temperatures, even if we were to stop pumping out CO2 tomorrow.

In the US the GOP seems to be on a collision course with reason and science, but at least some seems to be getting it: http://energyandenterprise.com/

[Furunculus]

worth another look:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...ible-solution/

iron fertilisation

[Papewaio]

http://m.smh.com.au/environment/clim...730-23769.html

Skeptic think tank now agree that the globe has warmed over the last 250 years and that carbon is the most likely reason likely reason for this.

THE Earth's land has warmed by 1.5 degrees Celsius in the past 250 years and ''humans are almost entirely the cause'', according to a scientific study set up to address climate sceptic concerns about whether human-induced global warming is occurring.
Richard Muller, a climate sceptic physicist who founded the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project, said he was ''surprised'' by the findings. ''We were not expecting this, but as scientists, it is our duty to let the evidence change our minds.''

[CBR]

worth another look:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...ible-solution/

iron fertilisation

The author of the blog seems to be pretty harsh on the inactivity of governments. Considering that the research results have just been published, so maybe let science do its thing and let them digest it first.

[Fragony]

Oops http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...=feeds-newsxml