teh gunz Ctrl

[gaelic cowboy]

Sorry for the late reply to this but just had to way in here on this old comment by Vuk

As to Lemur suggesting that TDKR does not have an anti-socialist (and therefore anti-Obama) theme, all I can think is that he has not seen the movie.

Actually isnt Bane essentially an anarchist and therefore disdaining of socialism and conservatism so basically the anti theme is of being against mass movements.

[Xiahou]

Successful shot? You would have to hit him in the throat, the face or the femoral, through smoke, suffocation, people and general mayhem. Unless you were one of the seventeen paranoid people in the US who carry 5mm class handguns, and then you would still have to get through the smoke, suffocation and the people.

And all of this of course is assuming you hadn't fallen asleep and you didn't have your hands in your dates shirt
and that you were 100% sober

Having a concealed firearm in that theater would do no good to anyone unless they were literally sitting in the front row

I find it incredible how retarded armchair gunslingers are, especially overweight pundits who shoot at paper targets and deer

I agree insofar as anyone who flippantly says "I would've shot him if I was there." is full of it on several levels. It would've taken a lot of guts to draw your weapon and make yourself a target in that situation. It would've taken a miracle for one armed victim to make a difference in this instance. However in different circumstances, one armed victim can defend people from multiple assailants.

A question about the body armor- has anyone heard any details about what armor he was actually wearing? There's a lot of talk about it being just a nylon tactical vest. It won't change what happened no matter what he was wearing- but I wish it was detailed somewhere.

Really, I don't think there's much for people on either side of the gun debate to use. Armed citizens most likely wouldn't have made much difference, nor would tighter gun regulations mattered much in the end....

[Major Robert Dump]

I agree insofar as anyone who flippantly says "I would've shot him if I was there." is full of it on several levels. It would've taken a lot of guts to draw your weapon and make yourself a target in that situation. It would've taken a miracle for one armed victim to make a difference in this instance. However in different circumstances, one armed victim can defend people from multiple assailants.

A question about the body armor- has anyone heard any details about what armor he was actually wearing? There's a lot of talk about it being just a nylon tactical vest. It won't change what happened no matter what he was wearing- but I wish it was detailed somewhere.

Really, I don't think there's much for people on either side of the gun debate to use. Armed citizens most likely wouldn't have made much difference, nor would tighter gun regulations mattered much in the end....

Yes, there are plenty of examples of guns being used successfully to fend off jerks. I am only referring to this example. It is a moot point in this event, but nonetheless tossed out by the armchairs and the pundits. I am not rguing against guns here, just trying to keep the discussion honest. A machete would have been more useful

[ICantSpellDawg]

What is Obama talking about - ak-47's belong in the hands of soldier's, not in the hands of criminals? Anyone who isn't a soldier is a criminal? What about civilians? Are we not allowed to have semi-automatic weapons? Or is he just referring to the selective fire rifles? My concern about this is that a semi-auto was used in the shooting, so what is he trying to do with this statement? Make the scary looking semi-auto's illegal and then target the less scary looking rifles because they can do the same thing? I'm glad that he is starting to talk about this now.

[PanzerJaeger]

What a moronic thing to say. I wonder if he has any clue how many AK47s are actually used in crimes.

[gaelic cowboy]

Eh have you stopped to consider that he might be right on semi auto weapons.

Why the hell does any American need an ak47 do the deer shoot back or something.

[ajaxfetish]

Eh have you stopped to consider that he might be right on semi auto weapons.

Why the hell does any American need an ak47 do the deer shoot back or something.

You don't need an AK47 anymore than you need a sports car. But then it's not about what you need, is it.

Ajax

[HoreTore]

You don't need an AK47 anymore than you need a sports car. But then it's not about what you need, is it.

Ajax

True, it seems to be more about the absolutely hilarious idea that teh gubmintz is somehow afraid if a hillbilly or two has them.

[Xiahou]

What a moronic thing to say. I wonder if he has any clue how many AK47s are actually used in crimes.

Last I had heard, we don't issue AK47s to our soldiers... So I'm not sure where Obama was going with that anyway. It is a very common weapon amongst our enemies however.

I know some people think American troops should use AK47s.. maybe that's what he was getting at.

[gaelic cowboy]

You don't need an AK47 anymore than you need a sports car. But then it's not about what you need, is it.

Ajax

Exactly it's not about what we need at all at all rather it about druming fear of the Evilz Gubment.

I will lay 50euro in Paddy Power right nothing comes of this, just like nothing happened after Columbine or the Giffords shootings nothing will happen legally speaking after this one either.

Gun control is not about regulating guns but attacking political opponents ie in actuality democrats as being Un-American.

[rory_20_uk]

Who uses AK-47s any more? There are so many newer versions of the good old AK in circulation. I think the AK-108 would be quite a good choice.

REgarding body armour, unless it was DIY with steel plates, I imagine it is perversely a lot harder to purchase than guns and loads of bullets.

He also said AKs should be in the hands of soldiers, not children.

[Fragony]

Eh have you stopped to consider that he might be right on semi auto weapons.

Why the hell does any American need an ak47 do the deer shoot back or something.

It's noisy and makes wholes into things, what's not to like about it. I'd love to have one because it's just awesome to have. They aren't very hard to get but I really don't want to get caught with it

[Husar]

Thinly veiled racism accusations always make for a stronger argument.

Oh really? I didn't notice that I used any stereotypes or exaggerations there, sorry if I did.

Ok, so what can we not do today that we could before because of the PATRIOT ACT? Name something. Go ahead... I'll wait.

Mind you, I wasn't in favor of everything in the act, but to say it's affected my personal liberty in any meaningful way is untrue.

Yeah, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear, right? I thought that argument was invalid when it comes to legislation concerning infringements on liberty and privacy.
Also: "I live in North Korea and I haven't had a problem with the government, so what's all the fuss about anyway?"

It's not that we cannot DO things.

It's that we get spied on wholesale and it is okay, and anti terror laws are used to wiggle those oh so inconvenient laws

And this.

Also, IIRC the Patriot Act had pretty strong support amongst the Democrats, and support from Republicans was not 100%

That's not inconsistent with what I said because from a european POV there's at least 49% neocon in every American, democrats included.

Really, I don't think there's much for people on either side of the gun debate to use. Armed citizens most likely wouldn't have made much difference, nor would tighter gun regulations mattered much in the end....

Agreed, but we're here to tear eachother apart and I know I'm right because I'm a European and Americans are arrogant!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Agreed, but we're here to tear eachother apart and I know I'm right because I'm a European and Americans are arrogant!

Since I have become "that guy" in the last two threads I have cared to argue in, I'm going for my third offense and yelling, SOURCE PLEASE!

[Papewaio]

Jeopardy!

Answer:

It's noisy and makes wholes into things, what's not to like about it. I'd love to have one because it's just awesome to have. They aren't very hard to get but I really don't want to get caught with it

Question:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

What is a vibrator?

[Husar]

SOURCE PLEASE!

Here you go.

And here and here you have arrogant Americans thinking only what he said about America was wrong.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Did you guys hear about the nonmilitary/police/criminal who disarmed the stab crazy knife wielder in some Salt Lake grocery store?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Anti-gun in the US folks love talking up AK-47s because it riles up the ignorant anti-gun masses and sounds scary.

Bloomberg wants more gun laws: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/a...icle-1.1121153

Specifically, requiring background checks for all gun sales, which would effectively outlaw private gun sales.

That persistent scumbag senator Chuck Schumer is pushing for banning all magazines that can hold more than 10 bullets again:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...ontrol-measure

I guess we'll see how big this gets. Right now Obama isn't pushing for more laws, though he'd sure like them.

CR

[Fragony]

Successful shot? You would have to hit him in the throat, the face or the femoral, through smoke, suffocation, people and general mayhem. Unless you were one of the seventeen paranoid people in the US who carry 5mm class handguns, and then you would still have to get through the smoke, suffocation and the people.

And all of this of course is assuming you hadn't fallen asleep and you didn't have your hands in your dates shirt
and that you were 100% sober

Having a concealed firearm in that theater would do no good to anyone unless they were literally sitting in the front row

I find it incredible how retarded armchair gunslingers are, especially overweight pundits who shoot at paper targets and deer

Could be retarded, but could also have stopped it. We had a similar shooting here, the guy had enough time to kill 6 people with a .22 and wounded many more. Let's not even begin about what happened in Norway

[PanzerJaeger]

It happened in April. Similar incidents happen every day, but rarely make headlines.

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Police say right now they have no idea what caused the suspect to go on the dangerous rampage. (We will update as soon as we learn new information.)

So far, police have not released the names of the suspect, the victims or the man who pulled the gun.

[ajaxfetish]

Who uses AK-47s any more? There are so many newer versions of the good old AK in circulation. I think the AK-108 would be quite a good choice.

Maybe people interested in cold-war era military history? The AK-47's had a pretty big cultural impact, and is probably one of the most iconic weapons in the world. Heck, I want to collect replica medieval swords. Who uses those any more? There are certainly newer and more advanced weapons in circulation, but having the newest, most advanced killing machines isn't the only motivation out there for wanting to own weapons.

Ajax

[ICantSpellDawg]

After my wedding in September, I'm planning on a gun buying spree. No time to buy like in the months before a Democratic President's possible second term, when he's just itching to pass new laws against lawful gun ownership. Especially this President, who I've come to realize over the past 4 years is a detestable human being. I'm just glad that all of the warnings and criticisms have been proving themselves to be true about him, almost in a cascade. Better before the election than right after.

[a completely inoffensive name]

After my wedding in September, I'm planning on a gun buying spree. No time to buy like in the months before a Democratic President's possible second term, when he's just itching to pass new laws against lawful gun ownership. Especially this President, who I've come to realize over the past 4 years is a detestable human being. I'm just glad that all of the warnings and criticisms have been proving themselves to be true about him, almost in a cascade. Better before the election than right after.

What has he done to restrict gun owners?

[Tuuvi]

What has he done to restrict gun owners?

We all know he wants too. Just because he won't right now doesn't mean he won't try if he wins a second term and no longer has to worry about re-election. Sure he couldn't actually get anything passed but that was kind of a silly thing to say when we know the man is pro-gun control.

[Major Robert Dump]

Well, he does have a congress to deal with.

Executive orders typically don't wash with Constitutional issues.

Also, ACIN, why does ICantSpellDawg like every single one of your posts 30 seconds after you post it. This has been going on for well over a week now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

We all know he wants too. Just because he won't right now doesn't mean he won't try if he wins a second term and no longer has to worry about re-election. Sure he couldn't actually get anything passed but that was kind of a silly thing to say when we know the man is pro-gun control.

So in other words, "I have no evidence that he will, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT OBAMA IS COMING FOR MY FREEDOMS."

Well, he does have a congress to deal with.

Executive orders typically don't wash with Constitutional issues.

Also, ACIN, why does ICantSpellDawg like every single one of your posts 30 seconds after you post it. This has been going on for well over a week now.

Indeed.

ICantSpellDawg and I came to an agreement that since I make a mockery out of his entire world view so easily that it might as well be taken for granted, ICSD will agree with everything I say and I will reserve my free time on demanding sources from Strike on everything he talks about.

[Tuuvi]

So in other words, "I have no evidence that he will, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT OBAMA IS COMING FOR MY FREEDOMS.

lol No that's not what I said. I said that it's silly to assume that someone who is pro-gun control won't try to get tougher gun laws passed at some point in the future. He might try, he might not, I don't know. But let's not pretend that it's not on his wishlist.

[Major Robert Dump]

I don' believe this.

Someone has 2 IP adresses and 2 computers.

You are padding your like tallies in an effort to score with the chics here.

[a completely inoffensive name]

lol No that's not what I said. I said that it's silly to assume that someone who is pro-gun control won't try to get tougher gun laws passed at some point in the future. He might try, he might not, I don't know. But let's not pretend that it's not on his wishlist.

Gun control is dead. Despite his feelings on the issue he won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Even after his second election, he still has another midterm to deal with.

[Husar]

I don' believe this.

Someone has 2 IP adresses and 2 computers.

You are padding your like tallies in an effort to score with the chics here.

You are wrong.

And I hope Obama takes all your guns away, and those from Tuuvi and ICSD as well.

And PJ's guns, too, and those of CR, and the ones from Tom in Oklahoma and from Joe in Pittsburgh and...

And then he can go ahead to join the EUSSR!