Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pintenOriginally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Down with dried flowers!
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"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Ford had his good and bad side.
To say that he was "anti union" is a bit of an understatement. The dude had the largest civilian security force in the history of the USA up until he was surpassed by modern contractors like BH and KBR. Those "security personnel" travelled the land and broke the spirit and the bodies of people, their forces comprised of big, dumb goons like former athletes, soldiers and criminals/ex cons.
Old man Ford would not fire their ringleader, Harry Bennet, who stayed with the company until Old Ford stepped down after replacing Edsel after his death. At this point Old Ford was senile and wanted to make Bennett the new President in place of Edsel, and Old Ford took over as interim in the meantime. The company was doing so poorly under senile Ford(even as a war supplier, losing money hand over fist) there was talk of government takeover in the financial sector so as not to disrupt supply lines. The board fo directors and Edsels widow successfully pushed for Henry II, edsels son, to be put in as President once he returned from the fighting.
His first act as new president was to fire Bennett and most of his goons. Bennett, an ungrateful draft dodger whose biggest claim to fame was having big biceps and being a hard puncher, engaged in a smear campaign against a recently returned US Navy combat vet, accusing him of not having any real world experience and having never contributed to the company. He quickly faded into history, the murderous goon that he was.
I can only imagine what Ford would have become had Bennett taken over. Also of note, Bennett apparently caused Edsel a lot of headache, but his father would not let him fire Bennet, and upon Edsels death his widow claimed that it was the stress brought on by Bennett and his merciless goons that led to Edsels demise (he dies of cancer)
Thats your history lesson for today, kids
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That and cars are a direct consumer item. Paying workers higher for the production of Steel and Oil wouldn't have benefitted Carnegie and Rockefeller in the same way as it did for Ford.
I also have a feeling that Democrats of yesteryear would also be DINOs for not doing anything about the repression of LGBT people.
You move the tax base and you neglect the city proper.
White flight is not about race. It's about the complete breakdown of community in Americas urban areas. Sure allot of the victims are black but that is just happenstance.
I can expand on this, but most of you are idiots
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
You have no idea what you are googiling
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defc...colorline.html
How The Irish Became White Noel Ignatiev
White Flight: Atlanta and the making of Modern Conservatism Kevin Kruze
Playing Indian Tom Deloria
All of these should be read with Hegel in mind
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
I added more
These are just to help you think about why there is a divide and how that divide shapes out looks on governance.
A people history should be requried reading in all high schools, it was in mine.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
I have never been to the US, so I can't comment on the situation there, but that description of unions is about as far from the situation here as one can get.
So, obviously, the solution to the union problems in the US is to become a social democracy and ditch the ideologically blinded libertardians.
Edit: also, one more comment on the right/left-divide... If the difference is that the left wants the state to fix it, and the right wants individuals to fix it, you have just claimed that communism is a right-wing ideology....
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
unfortunately rvg's statement is pretty much true here as well... at least with the bigger unions
Dude. Wake up. Your neighborhood goes to ****. You are going to leave the first chyance you get. It doesn't matter who the criminals are, it doesn't matter why the property values are low, it doesn't matter why your insurance is higher to run a business. It is what it is. You are going to leave.
And for that, apparently, you are a racist.
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
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Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
...and that is a problem with the free market society, it has nothing to do with unions. That attitude is of course the attitude all of your CEO's have as well - are they behaving like that because of the unions? Will a CEO fire a divison or two so the stock price will rise enough unlock his bonus because his workers are unionized? And the mob has ties to all levels of the society the operate in, of course they have ties to unions as well if they operate in the same area.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
no he was pointing out that "Why is it that you guys have a problem that the social democracies in europe doesn't have?" isn't very accurate - there a plenitude of countries in Europe who have problems with Unions ranging from France to the UK
I recall reading somehwere several years ago that the majority of GMs pension healthcare funds went to pay for retirees. Pensions are practically not even an option any more these days outside of government jobs, and this is a prime example of why. The unions managed to get fabulous benefits packages for the employees at a level that was quite frankly unsustainable and -- dare I say it -- idiotic, as a company in a "capitalist" society, whose financial security will be at the whims of the market.
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
And the paperwork is in, Detroit officially files for bankruptcy.
Creditors and pension plans unwilling to take 10 cents on the dollar will now get next to nothing. And this might start a wave with other cities.
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Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
$15 billion in debt. How do they expect to pay for any future service except in cold hard cash?
I assume the city pensions are all the civil servants ie firemen, police, teachers, nurses, garbage collectors, I wonder it the senior management and city accountants and lawyers belong to the same pension funds...
It is rather odd that the unions get all the blame.
The big3 spent better than 20 years making crap no one wanted...it was crap.
So what about the failure of the captains of industry? What about the execs cruising to retirement and gold-plated pensions?
Even if the unions had played along, it would not have changed the fact the big3 were producing garbage, which they foisted on consumers-relying on rep and brand loyalty.
A pox on both their houses :p
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In ten to twenty years when everything is sold off or what it is that financial people do with broken cities, I will take advantage and buy a three story Victorian house for $120,000.
I wouldn't worry about this. Pretty soon Omni Consumer Products should bail out the city. Shortly after, we can expect Robocop to be keeping the streets of Old Detroit safe while they construct Delta City.
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-Abraham Lincoln
I've always had a soft spot for ED-209.
Warning: clip contains outrageous, over-the-top gore.
Detroit is one of the main reasons that I am horrified of the Democratic party. Honestly, I don't believe that charity has much of a place in government unless it serves a larger social function. However, It seems that too many Conservatives internalize their laissez faire attitude beyond the political application and harden their hearts. It is tempting to do an hard to resist, but it is thoroughly corrupt and inarguably un-Christian. Personally, I don't have much patience for American poor, too often their plight is a result of carelessness, obsession with vice and trivialties, and self-deceit. I focus more of my energies toward the global poor who actually NEED us to help break their Master's backs and show them a new way.
Anyway, I don't hold American poor in contempt and man in need is still a man. poison
of character is a frustrating thing to fight, but these people have a different master keeping them down; themselves. They still need our help, especially when other Americans are all too happy to exploit them endlessly and keep the vicious cycle on repeat
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"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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