Pirate Ship Mafia II [Concluded]

[El Barto]

OOC: Girls, stop fighting.

In case the alcohol has destroyed your sense of humour, the mutiny was a response to Zack saying he was unkillable.

Erm, nay, lack of alcohol be a destroyer of me sense of humour. Savvy?

[Memnon]

I wouldn't call myself a lurker, I've been a wee bit busy recently, but I still post, usually around this time anyway. Anywho, so me scalawags, this be an interestin' turn of events, the Spaniards are growing and the horsemen haven't been living up to their name (aka not killing scum nearly every night, as accidental as it was). Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me, an' Vote:Visorslash, also OMGUS.

[Beskar]

I was blocked last night when I was going to steal from Johnhughthom. You had to do it when I was wanting to steal from him.

[Chaotix]

Good move on Zack's part there.

Now he can't have a mutiny framed against him for being suspicious... the only real way that could fly is with an argument that he's doing a bad job.

But, you know, based on that move, kind of hard at least in the short run to say he's doing a bad job.

Vote: Kagemusha

For now. Haven't heard much from him yet, let's see if we can wake him up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just want to note that I was sort of an idea man on this.

Yall didn't make me Captain, but that doesn't mean I don't speak to him.

[edse]

Vote: El Barto donthave time

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: El Barto donthave time

Vote: edse

Make time.

[NinjaCow64]

Vote: El Barto donthave time

Ack, ew 'azy 'um! Eye tike thar tirrrme ta naught jarst randarmlahe varte fer sumunh! Eye 'ate 'azyness! Vote: edse as yarrrr still on the pizzapirate's list. Arrrrrrrr!

[JoanK]

Vote: edse. If you don't have time, you take it from your sleep. But votes like that can't go unforgiven.

[BSmith]

vote: JoanK no need to pile on so quickly. Looks like you might be trying to take advantage of edse's post and subsequent votes for him...

[Jolt]

Vote: Lyra

Placeholder vote, no reason, completely random. If I get back in time to read this and make an informed vote, I will.

[TinCow]

This is scummy:

Suspects list
Lowest risk:
Askthepizzaguy- I can be found stealing treasure two nights ago. The person I stole treasure from is still alive. I can tell you who I stole from and how much treasure. They can confirm.

ATPG knows as well as any of us that stealing N1 means nothing, yet he frames it as an alibi on par with those which resulted from N3. This is mafia-ATPG trying to hide amongst the semi-cleared. Townie-ATPG would have put himself in a different suspicion tier.

ATPG has also chosen a rather odd time to decide to dispose of our Captain. We just had a night when the Captain was confirmed to be guarding his treasure on a night when two of the three mafia were active. While the Captain could, theoretically, still be the third mafioso, it's looking very unlikely. As much as I really hate to support the same system that frustrated me so much in the first game, the townie in me says that the town would now be best served by keeping Zaccino as an officer permanently. Even those of us who were mostly cleared last night could be converted at some other point, but not Zaccino. He's the most pro-town player we have right now. Yet as soon as the night ended, ATPG wants a mutiny:

So honorable Pirate Lawyer. Or is it Lawyer Pirate?

I had been meaning to speak with ye. As one of yer loyal supporters in the Captaincy selection, I was dismayed to see your selection fail.

You have made plain your intentions to become Captain again. Obviously that means mutiny.

I have a group of folks I can talk into it, or talk out of it. Not many, by my usual standards, I be playin' this one closer to my chest and not engagin' in talk with half the ship like I always do.

But I have some supporters. I presume you still do as well.

The problem I see is that there are too many folks who won't even bother to vote still alive. If I understand it correctly, their presence counts as a vote against mutiny even if they don't vote. I am guessing that is your assessment as well.

What do you want me to do? Do you want me to foster mutinous sentiments sooner, later, or not at all?

Also ye needn't worry about offering me anything in return. I love gold, and being an officer might require me to do things that are all official and stuff, as opposed to guarding it.

The only people who should want to dislodge Zaccino right now are mafia/anti-town and those who want only fun and don't care about losing. ATPG's PM is clearly not of the latter type. He wants to dislodge Zaccino because he knows that Zaccino is about to become an very nasty thorn in his side. This is also consistent with his earlier behavior. ATPG was the person who told 'khaan that Zaccino wanted him dead, resulting in our protection of 'khaan on N2. That is consistent with ATPG attempting to nurture a mutiny (by keeping potential mutineers alive and friendly to him) for a prolonged period. Indeed, I've done nothing to further mutiny other than make a few public comments which were just for fun. ATPG, on the other hand, has been actively working for mutiny for multiple days. I suspect he is scum.

Vote: ATPG

[Zack]

I was also raising my eyebrows when ATPG came out with an alibi of stealing gold and protecting people, thereby taking himself off of his list, even after I explicitly said the Spanish lieutenants were most likely stealing gold and protecting people. Not to mention fostering insurrection and mutiny against an obviously pro-town Captain.

In other words, string him up.

[Ironside]

Vote: ATPG

Tincow got a good point and there's certainly potential to use for alibi creation.

[Visor]

I was also raising my eyebrows when ATPG came out with an alibi of stealing gold and protecting people, thereby taking himself off of his list, even after I explicitly said the Spanish lieutenants were most likely stealing gold and protecting people. Not to mention fostering insurrection and mutiny against an obviously pro-town Captain.

In other words, string him up.

Everyone takes themself of their list of scum, regardless of allegiance. And there be nothing particularly wrong with mutiny, there are a few things wrong with saying mutiny is a scum only action.

[Zack]

Everyone takes themself of their list of scum, regardless of allegiance. And there be nothing particularly wrong with mutiny, there are a few things wrong with saying mutiny is a scum only action.

You don't think there's anything suspicious about colluding to mutiny against a clearly pro-town Captain, while simultaneously kissing the Captain's ass? What possible reason is there to mutiny against me at this point?

Meanwhile, why do you refuse to elaborate on night actions, and why are you paying people to protect you at night?

EDIT: Plus, there's also the factor that many of his strongest accusers (Chaotix, TinCow, Andres) all have good alibis.

[Visor]

You don't think there's anything suspicious about colluding to mutiny against a clearly pro-town Captain, while simultaneously kissing the Captain's ass?

I don't see it as a Spanish action. I see it as a townie who wants gold. Why the hell would the Spanish take such an action that could obviously backfire and be useless.

What possible reason is there to mutiny against me at this point?

Besides the fact that you may indeed be Spanish, gold is also a factor. There may also be roles better suited to captaincy then you.

Meanwhile, why do you refuse to elaborate on night actions, and why are you paying people to protect you at night? I'll reveal my night actions to people I trust. You are not one of those people. And heaven forbid I want to survive a game. That last question of yours is rather self explanatory.

Bolded reply.

[Zack]

I don't see it as a Spanish action. I see it as a townie who wants gold. Why the hell would the Spanish take such an action that could obviously backfire and be useless.

Because I'm all but confirmed town? Isn't that obvious?

Besides the fact that you may indeed be Spanish, gold is also a factor. There may also be roles better suited to captaincy then you.

How could I possibly be Spanish? The lieutenants were recruiting, and the officer would be a fool to guard his gold rather than scan two people for conversion susceptibility. Plus, the Captain cannot be converted. And no townie in their right mind would risk replacing an assuredly town Captain with a possible scumbag/unknown.

I'll reveal my night actions to people I trust. You are not one of those people. And heaven forbid I want to survive a game. That last question of yours is rather self explanatory.

How can you trust anyone more than me at this point? Isn't gaining gold a significant goal in this game? Why would you give so much away as a safeguard when you're so unlikely to be attacked? Who would kill you at night right now? Further, dying as a vanilla townie isn't the end of the world or anything, either. It's not like you're a Horseman killing people, or an Officer performing important actions. As far as I know, you're not doing anything particularly productive at night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nope, not Spanish. Just picked the wrong person to include in a mutiny, figured it was bound to happen eventually.

Why the change of heart, Tincow? You wanted the Captaincy.

You can't seriously believe that ONLY Spanish want a mutiny right now, or that it would be an altogether good idea for a Spanish to make the move to push the Captain overboard.

No, you're looking at a very gold-hungry townie. Zack's worth a lot of gold and I'm at that point where a little bit more gold would be really good for me.

Got my hand caught in the Captain's cookie jar is all. And no, I wouldn't make the allegation that the Captain is Spanish at this moment. Just got too much gold for his own good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You also have to figure, it was I who concocted the gold steal/guarding scheme to begin with.

I can play well for the town and mind my own gold totals at the same time. You folks seem to forget there's two competitions going on.

[Visor]

Because I'm all but confirmed town? Isn't that obvious? You're not confirmed town. Just not Guardacosta. Which I'll admit, makes you highly likely to be town.


How could I possibly be Spanish? And no townie in their right mind would risk replacing an assuredly town Captain with a possible scumbag/unknown. See above. Of course if the other choice for captain is a power role, they would be a better choice.


How can you trust anyone more than me at this point? Isn't gaining gold a significant goal in this game? Why would you give so much away as a safeguard when you're so unlikely to be attacked? Who would kill you at night right now? Further, dying as a vanilla townie isn't the end of the world or anything, either. It's not like you're a Horseman killing people, or an Officer performing important actions. As far as I know, you're not doing anything particularly productive at night.

Gaining gold is significant (hence why mutiny should be a viable option at some stage). I'll tell you what I want, when I want, and you can demand all you want, but I network the way I want, you do it the way you want. When do I survive to the endgame Zack?

As above.

[Zack]

I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town.

Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment.

And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only people who should want to dislodge Zaccino right now are mafia/anti-town and those who want only fun and don't care about losing. ATPG's PM is clearly not of the latter type. He wants to dislodge Zaccino because he knows that Zaccino is about to become an very nasty thorn in his side. This is also consistent with his earlier behavior. ATPG was the person who told 'khaan that Zaccino wanted him dead, resulting in our protection of 'khaan on N2. That is consistent with ATPG attempting to nurture a mutiny (by keeping potential mutineers alive and friendly to him) for a prolonged period. Indeed, I've done nothing to further mutiny other than make a few public comments which were just for fun. ATPG, on the other hand, has been actively working for mutiny for multiple days. I suspect he is scum.

Vote: ATPG

Oh yes, I'll admit to being quite the two-faced bugger toward the Captain.

He's the biggest pile of gold on the ship and the Captain at the same time. I'm gonna be very polite to his face while I also look for folks who want his gold.



Tincow, you're forgetting who I am.

I am Askthepizzaguy. I will risk anything for the big win, in a game like this, I am not going to sit and wonder what it would be like to be rich, savvy?

[Visor]

I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town. Obsessively? If the offer for survival is there, I'll take it. Gold isn't much use dead.

Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment. No you're not.

And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain? I have a few people.

As above.

EDIT: Go look at ATPG mafia 2. I spent all my credits protecting myself, then stealing, to protect myself again. Go see TWC mafia where I protected myself correctly. I generally prefer to protect other people as doctor, but sometimes you just get a feeling you need to save yourself. I don't like dying in games, and protection is definitely a plus for me, as it stops people killing me, and gets a good alibi to those who are doing the protection.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town.

Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment.

And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain?

I think Visorslash might be feeling mutinous as well, Captain. He's not going to give you a straight answer.

I admit it. I am working for a mutiny, and I love gold. The look of it, the shmell of it. The texture.

I love gold so much, I even lost my golden genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident and was given the nickname diamond junk.

They're still gold but they have diamonds on it now. Very sparkly.

All right, so you caught me. I'm a greedy bastard.

Is that all you have for me Captain, or do you HONESTLY see me as scum? Because you knew better when you, spontaneously, decided to protect me when I asked ZERO people in this game to protect me the last two nights as I taunted Andres to no end.

Maybe I'm too reckless for my own good, but you're seriously off your nuts and bolts if you think I'm scum Tincow.

[Zack]

Consider the following points:

1. Pirates care a great deal about gold.

2. Askthepizzaguy obviously cares a great deal about gold.

3. Visorslash does not care about gold.

4. Visorslash cares a great deal about his survival.

5. Visorslash is antagonistic towards and uncooperative with the obviously town Captain, and possibly mutinous, even though he does not care about gold.

6. Visorslash trusts several people more than the obviously town Captain.

Lynch Visorslash. I think we're barking up the wrong tree with Pizzaman. He's just reckless and gold-obsessed.

[Visor]

Consider the following three points:

1. Pirates care a great deal about gold.

2. Askthepizzaguy obviously cares a great deal about gold.

3. Visorslash does not care about gold.

4. Visorslash cares a great deal about his survival.

5. Visorslash is antagonistic towards and uncooperative with the obviously town Captain.

6. Visorslash trusts several people more than the obviously town Captain.

Lynch Visorslash. I think we're barking up the wrong tree with Pizzaman.

Pretty sure that's six points there.

Survival is more important then gold. Another reference to my 'obsession', is Only the Strong, where I risked the game just so I wouldn't die.

I think Visorslash might be feeling mutinous as well, Captain. He's not going to give you a straight answer.

Well done.

[Zack]

Explain your mutinous tendencies when you admitted yourself that the only possible for a mutiny right now is gold.

[Visor]

Explain your mutinous tendencies when you admitted yourself that the only possible for a mutiny right now is gold.

Well no, the other possibility is that town makes a power role captain, because having an open and confirmed power role is better then you being captain.

[Zack]

Well no, the other possibility is that town makes a power role captain, because having an open and confirmed power role is better then you being captain.

No matter which way you slice it, Visorslash, the only people this game confirmed not-Spanish are myself and BSmith. That will never change the entire game, what with the recruitment last night.