Football and Racism

[SoFarSoGood]

Lol people attack racism and then attack the Serbs.

[Vladimir]

I really tried finishing the OP but when I got to the middle all I could think about was lesbians.

Who won the game?

[HoreTore]

Lol people attack racism and then attack the Serbs.

Who is "attacking serbs" here?

[Brenus]

I will take Samartian side.
If it true that Serbs, Croats, Bosnians (formally known as Muslims) and others could kill each other with great enthusiasm, they simply hate the other. They don’t pretend to be superior, but just hate the other one.
My step daughter (mixed race as they say in UK, and THIS is racism as there is only ONE human race, other races being Equine, Ovine, Porcine, Feline and others) is black and went at school in Novi Sad and got an argument with a young boy. When he told her she was a black cow, it was not racism but a description…
Now, football brings the worst of humanity at the surface. The Serbian Crowd that killed a Frenchman, I think last year, it was not by racism but by stupidity, sheer and simple.
I would agree that the monkey noises were offensive but were probably copied from others matches and because it clearly upset the English, they used it. Now, I can’t say that Serbs are immune to the new wave of Racism. Even with my best friends there, I have to fight for the right for gays and Lesbians to exist. Few years ago, some extreme-right neo-Nazi kind of movements appeared which always amaze me as the Serbs were part of the race to exterminate, but, hey, extreme right supporters are not known to be the brightest… And to be honest, at that time President Kustonica went to apologise to the Gypsy Community for Racist Graffitis.

“I have yet to meet a Serb or Croatian who didn't seriously scare me”: Go there and you will find the most kind and welcoming people. Well, except football fans, but that is true in all countries…

“That said the monkey noises audible in the videos I have seen of the incident do, like it or not, have connotations - that black people are similar, or at least, more similar than white people, to monkeys. That classifies black people as below white people, as sub-human if you will, and that is the issue at stake.” For you: Perhaps not for the ones who just want to upset the English players, and knowing it will have an effect on them.
It is not because you use “excuse my French” when you swear and want to apologise that you are Francophobe. Or don’t be Dutch means you hate Holland, or feel superior.

Now, be free to ban all Football matches and Clubs for stupidity that will be TV channels for better use. The problem is you start to ban stupid things, it won’t left too much things to do and watch…

[HoreTore]

With hard punishments, banning fans, surveillance and being very liberal in handing out fines and other light punishments to everyone and their grandma, it's very possible to clean up eastern europe too. It worked in England, so I see no reason why it shouldn't work in Serbia or any other eastern european country.

That's the end goal: the complete removal of these monkeypeople.

[Sarmatian]

This is not a class issue, Sarmatian.

In both my clubs(I've lived in two different places and have feelings for them both, yeah I know I'm a sinner), the fan clubs are made up of exactly the same class now as during the 80's. The only real difference is that there are more second gen immigrants in Klanen, due to immigration. It was the hooligan(or whatever you want to call it) culture that was responsible. Once that was removed, the trouble was removed.

Racist chants is a major identifier for these people, and so I welcome hefty fines, bans and so on against it. The stadiums in western europe are much better places to be now, we need to clean up eastern europe next. Take football back from the neanderthals, they shall not be allowed to ruin our wonderful sport.

It is, to a certain degree. Tennis crowd is much different than football crowd. Football is the sport of the masses, and a football stadium is a place where everyone express their emotions rather strongly. I'm fine with that, and the day football becomes like tennis, and we have 90 minutes of silence occasionally interrupted by an applause is the day football dies, for me at least.

Now, you're arguing that racist chants by themselves are not the big issue, but they serve to identify hooligans. I don't believe they are hooligans, at least the crowd in Krusevac, just as I don't believe they're racist. They were just one seriously pissed off crowd, trying to hit that particular guy where they thought it would hurt the most.

Other than that, I totally agree. Hooligans should be kept out of the stadium.

absolute BOLLOCKS

Racism is not an issue "created" by the slave trade it existed long before the slave trade and has outlived it - if anything the Slave trade was made possible BY racism not the other way round

and that last line is like the racist groups over here who start quotes with "I have Black friends BUT..." - it doesn't matter if the hooligans would happily drink in a pub with a Black man - they were Racially abusing Danny Rose and thus they were being Racist - end of story

to be honest you sound like you are trying to bury your head in the sand and are desperately trying to pile more sand on to make it all go away - this isn't the first incident and it wont be the last - your country has a Racism problem in football and you need to deal with it not hide from it

I never said that racism was created by the slave trade, I said the issue with racism and the current view of racism in the west was created by involvement of certain nations in slavery and slave trade.

I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand, that's more applicable to you- you're simply too narrowminded to even contemplate a place where racism is a non-issue. You're parroting a learned response much like a reflex without realizing that in another place there could be totally different cultural mindset.

Mind you, I'm talking specifically about blacks. Racism nowadays has such a broad definition that it can apply to ethnicity and different groups. In that case, yes, I believe there are many racist issues in Serbia, involving Croats, Albanians, gays etc...

I really tried finishing the OP but when I got to the middle all I could think about was lesbians.

Who won the game?

Lesbians did.

[HoreTore]

It is, to a certain degree. Tennis crowd is much different than football crowd. Football is the sport of the masses, and a football stadium is a place where everyone express their emotions rather strongly. I'm fine with that, and the day football becomes like tennis, and we have 90 minutes of silence occasionally interrupted by an applause is the day football dies, for me at least.

Now, you're arguing that racist chants by themselves are not the big issue, but they serve to identify hooligans. I don't believe they are hooligans, at least the crowd in Krusevac, just as I don't believe they're racist. They were just one seriously pissed off crowd, trying to hit that particular guy where they thought it would hurt the most.

Other than that, I totally agree. Hooligans should be kept out of the stadium.

If it was a class issue, then we would have to swap classes on the football stadiums to fix the problems. We didn't. Vålerenga's fans is still made up of the same working class people they have always been. It's just that they've learned to behave themselves.

Now, Eastern European stadiums in general, and that certainly includes Serbia, are known to be filled almost exclusively by retards. That needs to be adressed. They either have to be forced to behave or banned from the stadiums. The kind of sheer stupidity we see is ruining my sport. Behead the lot of them.

A first start would be to force the Serbian national team to play at least a couple of games without any fans. If the serbian football official continue with their "lalalala I can't hear you everything is paradise here in Best Serbian Republic lalala"-chanting, UEFA should consider banning their idiot behinds from competitions.

[rvg]

Now, Eastern European stadiums in general, and that certainly includes Serbia, are known to be filled almost exclusively by retards. That needs to be adressed.

Easy solution: ramp up the price of tickets by 2-3 bucks and hand out a free disposable vuvuzela to every spectator.