Football and Racism

[Sarmatian]

This is not a class issue, Sarmatian.

In both my clubs(I've lived in two different places and have feelings for them both, yeah I know I'm a sinner), the fan clubs are made up of exactly the same class now as during the 80's. The only real difference is that there are more second gen immigrants in Klanen, due to immigration. It was the hooligan(or whatever you want to call it) culture that was responsible. Once that was removed, the trouble was removed.

Racist chants is a major identifier for these people, and so I welcome hefty fines, bans and so on against it. The stadiums in western europe are much better places to be now, we need to clean up eastern europe next. Take football back from the neanderthals, they shall not be allowed to ruin our wonderful sport.

It is, to a certain degree. Tennis crowd is much different than football crowd. Football is the sport of the masses, and a football stadium is a place where everyone express their emotions rather strongly. I'm fine with that, and the day football becomes like tennis, and we have 90 minutes of silence occasionally interrupted by an applause is the day football dies, for me at least.

Now, you're arguing that racist chants by themselves are not the big issue, but they serve to identify hooligans. I don't believe they are hooligans, at least the crowd in Krusevac, just as I don't believe they're racist. They were just one seriously pissed off crowd, trying to hit that particular guy where they thought it would hurt the most.

Other than that, I totally agree. Hooligans should be kept out of the stadium.

absolute BOLLOCKS

Racism is not an issue "created" by the slave trade it existed long before the slave trade and has outlived it - if anything the Slave trade was made possible BY racism not the other way round

and that last line is like the racist groups over here who start quotes with "I have Black friends BUT..." - it doesn't matter if the hooligans would happily drink in a pub with a Black man - they were Racially abusing Danny Rose and thus they were being Racist - end of story

to be honest you sound like you are trying to bury your head in the sand and are desperately trying to pile more sand on to make it all go away - this isn't the first incident and it wont be the last - your country has a Racism problem in football and you need to deal with it not hide from it

I never said that racism was created by the slave trade, I said the issue with racism and the current view of racism in the west was created by involvement of certain nations in slavery and slave trade.

I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand, that's more applicable to you- you're simply too narrowminded to even contemplate a place where racism is a non-issue. You're parroting a learned response much like a reflex without realizing that in another place there could be totally different cultural mindset.

Mind you, I'm talking specifically about blacks. Racism nowadays has such a broad definition that it can apply to ethnicity and different groups. In that case, yes, I believe there are many racist issues in Serbia, involving Croats, Albanians, gays etc...

I really tried finishing the OP but when I got to the middle all I could think about was lesbians.

Who won the game?

Lesbians did.