Which civilization has the best unit roster in your opinion.

[Catmand0]

Regarding the Romans, have you reached the east yet? Macedonia and Epirus tend to spam really weird units in their armies until they are richer. So you might not be facing the full might of phalanx nations. When you get to the east, you will face the infamous silvershild and klerouchi phalanghites spam. Then the casualties in each battle will begin to be felt. Romes cavalry roster is quite poor for most of the game. Mercenary cav isn't as good as the factional cav of most nations that field cavalry.

The best you can get is probably the Thessalian cavalry and those are barely a match for the prodomoi of the Hellenic kingdoms (unless they are using them really stupidly)

I have gotten to the east several times. In my Romani Campaigns, I always wait until I get to the Marian Reform before I attack the ptolemy. I find that Cohortes Reformata, supported with a few Kreten Archers and Antesignani/regional or merc cav, does the trick against any spammed fullstack of elite phalanxes. Cohortes Reformata have enough armor and moral to pin down phalanxes and allow for a second unit to flank around. Phalanxes are easy to kill even if they are controlled by a human player IMO, it just takes some more involved micro managing. I can also afford to lose some men, considering that I always have a place close by to retrain them.

While I have enjoyed playing with some of the Phalanx heavy Hellenic civs, and have developed some quite deadly tactics with them, their lack of flexibility and uniformity annoys me. The Romani have the powerhouse heavy sword infantry of a Barbarian factions coupled with the discipline of the Hellenic factions that more than makes up for a lack of heavy cav IMO. While Carthage is an enjoyable campaign, and their military diverse and of good quality in addition to access to some fantastic regional troops, I dont feel like they really excels anywhere.

From your user name I would assume that you really like the Hellenic civs, especially the Seleucids. So I assume you have a very particular strategy that you are very good at based around fighting with phalanxes and super elite cavalry, which if executed right, can be unspeakably devastating. My tactics are based around heavy infantry with ranged support and a few cavalry to mop up routers and possibly to some routing charges. Both of these tactics are highly effective in their own way but has shaped what we think are the best units.

I think we should put our money where our mouths are and meet on the field of battle sometime to test our tactics on the matter.

[seleucid empire]

While Carthage is an enjoyable campaign, and their military diverse and of good quality in addition to access to some fantastic regional troops, I dont feel like they really excels anywhere.

From your user name I would assume that you really like the Hellenic civs, especially the Seleucids. So I assume you have a very particular strategy that you are very good at based around fighting with phalanxes and super elite cavalry, which if executed right, can be unspeakably devastating. My tactics are based around heavy infantry with ranged support and a few cavalry to mop up routers and possibly to some routing charges. Both of these tactics are highly effective in their own way but has shaped what we think are the best units.

I think we should put our money where our mouths are and meet on the field of battle sometime to test our tactics on the matter.

carthage excels at everything which is why i consider them dangerous

The thing that I like about phalanxes is Campaign durability. If I were playing against another player for only One battle I would much rather have Carthage or the Romans to be honest (and maybe 1-2 units of phalanxes since i found 1-2 units very effective in holding the elite units and since they dont make up your main battle line, your line will still be flexible). And also, I don't use as much elite heavy cavalry as most other players. I only really use 2 units of cavalry in my standard armies (either one light, one heavy or 2 medium) so In a way I play Hellenic factions the same way that you play Romans. I use infantry to do the work and my heavy only for the coup de grace. Its more effective that way.

I know this sounds like a weird tactic for a Hellenistic faction but I guarantee with enough practice, this method will work against any enemy (I first developed it fighting a steppe faction. Since they usually do a lot of damage even in defeat, I reformed my army and instead of standard infantry and cavalry, I used faster infantry and only one or two medium cavalry units. Also I find that now I am suffering far less casualties with a more balanced army.

The last time I played multi-player was over a year ago. I used to play with my friend but I have since deleted and reinstalled EB several times. I have forgotten how to set up multiplayer games (my current Eb cant play multiplayer). In those games I played with my friend tho, I lost whenever there was a Rome vs Seleukid clash or a Carthage vs Seleukid clash, although I did manage to best him Anything else vs. Seleukids

[Catmand0]

That is a great thing about the Seleukids, they have the ability to adapt, far more so than any of the other Hellenic factions. In your lighter Selekiud army, what do you use as your line infantry?

[seleucid empire]

That is a great thing about the Seleukids, they have the ability to adapt, far more so than any of the other Hellenic factions. In your lighter Selekiud army, what do you use as your line infantry?

I still use phalanghites. By Lighter I mean not as many elite units as every else seems to use. I always hear people saying how strong their roster is because of the TABs, Hetarioi, Silver Shields etc....

My point is that their roster is strong because they are diverse, not cause they have shiny mega elites.

I have 1 general unit (or two if its a dangerous place for generals)
I reduced the number of phalanxes in my armies from 8 to 5
added 2 units of theuropheuro
2 peltasts
2 archers
1 slinger
2 medium infantry mercenary units
2 medium cavs (prodomoi or hellenic heavy cavalry)
2 light horse archer units