Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity

[ajaxfetish]

As shown, you have not understood my argument for many pages.

As claimed. Claiming is not the same thing as showing.

really, so say if a atheist were to believe in god? or that human have value, things like right to life, killing is bad etc etc, as hitler and darwin point out, these things are inconstant with evolution/atheism. I have shown over and over on this thread.

HoreTore overstated his position. Atheism is not 'nothing.' There is one definite element to it, which is not believing in God. So the first point (an atheist believing in God) is indeed inconsistent with atheism. Thinking humans have value, or a right to life, or that killing is bad, etc. are not inconsistent with atheism, however, as atheism per se has nothing to say about them.

Ajax

[total relism]

"Atheism" simply means the denial of the existence of a divine being. There is absolutely nothing more to it. There's no way to base anything at all on atheism, since it doesn't contain anything.

There are, however, an abundance of philosophies one can be, and will be, influenced by, from both religious and non-religious philosophers. Social darwinism is one such philosophy, but it is not one I subscribe to, obviously. And I believe you are confusing "darwinism", which is simply an explanation of what has happened in nature during the past few million years, and "social darwinism", which is the idea that the former is a good model for society to follow(most famously used by the nazis of course).

You have "shown" a grand total of absolutely nothing in this thread, I might add. All you have done is post long, ranting and quite frankly utterly boring copy/pasted text. Are you seriously expecting anyone to read posts that repeats rubbish text like "The Jeffrey Dahmer DVD Documentary" over and over?

Put your thoughts in proper form, then someone might be interested in reading them. Heck, someone might even bother engaging you in a discussion!


Scared of bible verses...? That makes no sense whatsoever. I am unfamiliar with the bible, and I'm generally completely uninterested in what it says. It also does not hold any water as an argument to me, given that I am an non-believer.

I guess it would be comparable to a market-liberal reading a wall of text full of quotes from The Capital.

But in no way do I attempt to downplay the fact that I believe the right-wing christian resistance to Islam to be utter garbage, completely devoid of logic and generally unintelligent. That, however, also means that it has a great potential for being humerous to people like me!

It contains belief in no god, so no absolute right and wrong, no absolute moral right and wrongs. It does say we are random chemicals in our brain, evolved from dirt. I dont care to engage with someone who wont take time to read what i wrote. Please read OP that is not that long, than we can talk deal.


As far as the highlighted part, is there a fight club in the org? or are you on twc? I would love a 1v1 with you on this subject. Maybe titled, should non Muslims fear the spread of Islam. If not to either, I do have a back up plan, I feel political correctness has led you astray. As I am sure you believe "right wing" christians have led me astray. Would you agree to a 1v1 with me? If you are not on twc, you should, they have great debate section.

I have read your cherry picked quotes on Hitler, yes.

I have also based a university C-thesis on him when I read history. All in all I have read maybe 10 or so books solely about him, and another 100 or so books about Nazi Germany at large. Aside from that I subscribe to not one but two historical magazines, and tend to watch historical documentaries more than anything else. This aside, I am Austrian, and have had a vested interest in Museums, so I think I have been to most of the bigger ones in Europe.

So no, your cherry picked quotes just aren't very impressive. Actually, some of the ones you use to "strenghten" your case makes me wonder about your reading comprehension. Or maybe you are just lazy and throw them in from a ready list of: "Debate atheists for dummies".

So I will take that as what I said all along, noone will be able to support the claim hitler was a christian.

This is a logical fallacie your trying here. Argument from authority I believe it is.

As claimed. Claiming is not the same thing as showing.

HoreTore overstated his position. Atheism is not 'nothing.' There is one definite element to it, which is not believing in God. So the first point (an atheist believing in God) is indeed inconsistent with atheism. Thinking humans have value, or a right to life, or that killing is bad, etc. are not inconsistent with atheism, however, as atheism per se has nothing to say about them.

Ajax

You misunderstanding and replying to something I say on first post, that I am not trying to argue, counts as misunderstanding.

Second part, ok but as far as morals for atheist go it very much disregards moral absolutes. As I said, you cant say what hitler did is morally wrong, you may feel that way, but you have no grounds or authority to base it on.

[HoreTore]

It contains belief in no god,

I'm stopping you here, because this is the only part of post which is somewhat correct.

Atheism "contains"(a better word would be "describes") a belief in no god for some. For others, it "contains"(describes) a simple lack of belief in anything. Those two sentences may seem similar, but one is active and one is passive, which is quite a big difference.

so no absolute right and wrong, no absolute moral right and wrongs. It does say we are random chemicals in our brain, evolved from dirt. I dont care to engage with someone who wont take time to read what i wrote. Please read OP that is not that long, than we can talk deal.

....and this part of your post is just nonsense.

[total relism]

read OP than we can talk.

[HoreTore]

read OP than we can talk.

I have, and it contains a grand total of zero valid points.

Try again.

[Brenus]

“you do realize both Abraham and god new his son was not going to be sacrafised correct?” So what was the point of this cruel joke? What a traumatism to the poor kid, prepared on the table, daddy coming with the knife, and hop, big hand came out of nowhere, big laugh, “hey Junior, that was a joke!” So, Muslim, Jews and Christian celebrate a joke… I KNEW it….
It probably where comes the idea to kill the father to become an adult.

“on what grounds would you say child sacrifice is wrong?” Good point. So I agree that Christianity never told that killing children is wrong. I apologise.

“Please provide evidence for god is with us on his belt buckle” Just go on a book of German Uniform during WW2. That should do the deal.

By the way, atheist don’t tell people. You want to believe in fairies, trolls and orcs, fine with me. Or in the big flying Spagetti… I don’t. You can try to recite all the Bible, it is a irrelevant for me than the Contes de Perault stories. Cindarela didn’t exist and it is not because there is a book about her story that it proves she did…

[Kadagar_AV]

TR, I can take you on in a 1vs1 on this forum.

Topic: Atheism vs Christianity.

[HoreTore]

TR, I can take you on in a 1vs1 on this forum.

Topic: Atheism vs Christianity.

Discussion and debating is a method of learning, whoever came up with the idea that you can "win a debate" deserves to be shot.

[Kadagar_AV]

Discussion and debating is a method of learning, whoever came up with the idea that you can "win a debate" deserves to be shot.

Agreed. Doesn't mean we can't debate and learn that way though.