Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, it is finished.

I am either guilty or Ironside is. I warned you all. You failed to act, because you lack the cojones that I have.

I'm kidding. Remember ATPG is a character I play and damn if it doesn't feel good to play him today.

In all seriousness, I gave you everything you needed. The host confirmed headmasters can become corrupted. EVERY PERSON who has seen the Aeromancers quicktopics KNOWS FOR A FACT that only Ironside or myself (or Tincow, but he's died and flipped already) knew what we were doing last night.


The fact of the matter, boys and girls, is that either myself or Ironside caused this to happen.

The fact is, Ironside made sure the item got to me.

Ironside told me who to scan.

I'm a claimed mason with an investigatory item and I am not being killed off like El Barto was.

I was told to scan Edse and I faithfully reported the result, OR, I am guilty.

But I also deduced, just from talking to Edse, in front of all of you, and found out that he was innocent. Because, as HHH would put it, I am the game, and I am that, damn, good.

So you have two choices.

Either Askthepizzaguy is guilty, or Ironside is.

And now I have additional targets for you.

Visorslash looks guilty, and so does Elite Ferret. But you must begin with Ironside.

These are the people most directly responsible for this.

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

I want to say that I warned you. Perhaps too late, but I would think a day's time is plenty of warning that the scan is wrong and a half day should be plenty of time to get the suspect right.

Now you must listen.

I have made your choices very simple. Either I am guilty or Ironside is, (or both).

So let's finish this. Askthepizzaguy goes out in a blaze of absolute glory.




I invite EVERYONE In THE GAME to attack Ironside *AND* myself. Divide it up 50/50 if you like.



When Ironside flips scum, you must destroy Visorslash, and then Elite Ferret, in that order, and keep an eye on Alsark. Given what I know of Ironside now, it cannot be assumed that the events of last night weren't a deliberate alibi-creation device.

And I have outed everyone in the Wind College. All of these people could have been my allies, and had been trusting me. So ask yourselves why, if I am scum, I didn't just accept the edse lynch today, and why I tossed all my college-mates to the wolves.




I know it's unpalatable, but sometimes crazy old Pizzaman is right. It's time for someone to pay the piper, and if you lack the vision to determine which it is, I cordially invite you to hedge your bets.

Also, after the game, someone owes me some congratulations for sniffing this plot out before it even happened. Have you ever seen someone do this in a game before? I freaking rule. You better believe it.

[Ferret]

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Just to clarify this for everyone: I was suspicious of ATPG's behaviour and mason claim (as I have already mentioned here) so I put those suspicions up in the quicktopic expecting ATPG to simply inform me of why they were false and how he wasn't mafia. If he was innocent this would have been easy to do. Instead he got agressive and pulled out an OMGUS accusation on me, saying that I must be scum for 'shooting down' his wonderful idea of giving the head of our rival college a useful item. His only reasoning was: "you're probably dangerous to the town given your anti-Earth attitude", which is ridiculous, especially as TinCow opposed it just as strongly as I did. I accused him of being mafia once, and he reacted waaay stronger than was needed.

Ironside did not talk him out of it, in fact he actually agreed with ATPG. This line is a clear and pathetic attempt to make me and Ironside look cosy, to support his theory about us both being mafia. Everyone in the college of wind knows this is not true. Ironside has shown preference to ATPG at every opportunity, he was recruited before me, promoted to disciple before me, promoted to wielder before me and given the Lens instead of me.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

Yeah because you won't flip college of wind will you? It'll be something different.


I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

[Ironside]

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

I fear that we are dealing with the last scenario actually. I know I'm innocent and ATPG does appear to have scanned edse (av and dv matches). In light of that:

'khaan, pick one (none of below is an option). It won't hurt. Much.

Memnon
Robbiecon
Johnhughtom

Edit:
Now I don't mind me being wrong, so I'll prefer you taking down ATPG first. I'll be in permanent confirmable order lockdown anyway, so I can't do anything more than 1 unsupervised night action. And I would already do it tonight if I was scum.

[seireikhaan]

Huh. Well I'll be darned. Guess there's some interesting decisions tonight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For the record, I'm an evil, evil bastard and I would have loved to have become scum this game, and I would have come to any team pre-corrupted if Ironside had let me.

But nay, I never increased my corruption, and so therefore, I have pathetic defenses. You can kill me easily.

I am attacking Ironside tonight. Join me?

Edit: Specifically, my defenses are 2 in every element, as I posted in the air quicktopic. So any very strong attack should do wonders.

[Riedquat]

For the record, I'm an evil, evil bastard and I would have loved to have become scum this game, and I would have come to any team pre-corrupted if Ironside had let me.

But nay, I never increased my corruption, and so therefore, I have pathetic defenses. You can kill me easily.

I am attacking Ironside tonight. Join me?

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

You're enjoying yourself entirely too much, dead man. Your veneer of confidence seems to be a put-on, as you've celebrated all of our choices most vociferously, even the ones which were truly a negative for you. So you're simply trying to keep up the charade.

Do enjoy yourself, I know I would in your situation. But reverse psychology is child's play to deconstruct. Try something more challenging.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Heads up to the rock peoples:

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested.

Khaan, you're a beautiful human being, especially in this game. I love ya, but I have to put you on that suspect list as well. But if you're town, then you still have time to help the others take down Ironside or myself.

Whichever you prefer, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I won't take it personally if you choose me, after all, I am pointing fingers at you.

[seireikhaan]

Heads up to the rock peoples:

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested.

Khaan, you're a beautiful human being, especially in this game. I love ya, but I have to put you on that suspect list as well. But if you're town, then you still have time to help the others take down Ironside or myself.

Whichever you prefer, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I won't take it personally if you choose me, after all, I am pointing fingers at you.

When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

[Visor]

Still can't read me Pizza?

I will reply to the text walls soon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

LOL

Khaan, you're one of my favorite players for a reason. I toss roses at your feet. Bravo on the delivery of that line.

In case you're wondering, this was just last night. So it was during the period when ironside was guilty.

[Ferret]

So, Elite Ferret, you thought ATPG was scum and yet advocated my lynch based on his scan result

I was suspicious of him then yes, but I still didn't think he would be so brazen as to fake an investigation.

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested..

So are you saying that if you were the college head, and innocent, you would have said that Alsark should attack Khaan? This is the most absurd scum evidence I have ever seen. Khaan may well be mafia, but Ironside denying this attack in no way proves it.

Tonight I will attack ATPG. If he flips innocent I will vote for Ironside tomorrow. One of the two has surely got to be guilty, I still feel it is more likely to be ATPG so I would prefer to remove him first. Either way the guilty one will get a night action off tonight, either way the guilty one will be dead by the next night.

Edit: good to see my college head has the same plan for me.

I have a very bad feeling about this though. I'm starting to think you might both be innocent...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm loving Ironside posting his stats and saying well, if ATPG is attacking me, you'll need fewer people.

LUL.

And Elite Ferret attacking me, I didn't see that coming at all.

I love the promises to vote for Ironside after I flip townie. I also love Ironside saying how he'll be mad if someone converts him to scum tonight.

Foreshadowing much?

Town's going to lose this game but man, oh man, has this round been entertaining and quite telling.

EF is scummier than Visorslash atm.

I recommend that NOBODY follows Ironside's suggested course of action. Decide for yourselves who to attack. Asking the college of water to take care of himself is so very scummy.

Attack me with everything you've got. I'm not scared. But man, these guys certainly feel scared to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a very bad feeling about this though. I'm starting to think you might both be innocent...

No townie would be thinking this at all.

Ironside, mayyyyyybe. But not you.

You are totally scum. This post right here is an admission of that.

Tincow, is there any other way to interpret this?

[TinCow]

Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.

This post makes me feel a swell of warm feelings. QFT

Thank you, sincerely. You put some real consideration into this, and tried to read my actions from what you know of me. That's really all I ask of people. I'm not unreadable.

You have chosen.... wisely!

[Ironside]

I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

Don't bother, I'm not controlling the guild item and won't protect myself either. I hoped to prove it by observing the lack of corruption in an attack and actually doing something useful. Still plans to. That's why I'm still waiting on an answer 'Khaan.

I think our attack on Autolycus proves lack of corruption. It's 5+4+2+1= 12 unmigated damage done. I'm not sure of how it stacks, but ATPG:s corruption of 2 (how did you get that second point btw?) should be the highest value. I think only the highest value counts.

I'll order grand nuke. Neither me nor ATPG shall survive tomorrow. 3 dead, my guild crippled, but at least this buissness will be over in 1 round. Congratulations, mr scan disrupter.

Earth, take out ATPG.
Water take out me.
You can swap if you want. But earth has more firepower I think.
Elite Ferret attack ATPG.
Alsark attack me.

ATPG has claimed to attack me, so I'll be needing less damage to be taken out.
My stats:
XP 3 HP 12/12 CS 1 Fire 1, 3 Earth 0, 3 Water 1, 2 Air 5, 2

ATPG:s by claim in thread:
XP: 5 HP: 11/13 CS: 2
Fire: 1, 2; Earth: 0, 2; Water: 0, 2; Air: 2, 2.
hp should be 12 and air 4 now I think, based on regeneration and recommended xp spending.

If a scum faction recruits me tonight for the lols, I'll be petty, very, very petty. For a very, very long time. Enjoy.

[El Barto]

Am wondering what my mason partner is smoking in the afterlife.

You don't see how single-minded and uncritical such thinking is?

Detective results are supposed to help us deduce where the scums are- they aren't guaranteed. You still require a central nervous system to determine for yourself whether or not you believe the detective.

I don't believe the detective and I'm the detective.

If this is a plot to destroy both Edse and my credibility, then it stands to reason: the architects of this plot also joined in on accusing Edse, and are also advocating severe consequences for his mislynch.

Wand of suspicion: Those people.

You have a wand?

Just tie the vote…

This. Do this next time.

Why does that bother you, scared he'll reveal something about you and your mason buddy?

My 'mason buddy' ain't no scum. If he were he'd've corrupted me, he knows how much I love it.

I request to be scanned once more. We have so far only lynched members of the cult, when we try to find the members of the second scum team (that probably can't recruit), starting innocents will be worth a lot. I believe there are only three of us left.

This will be my last post for today, when I wake up tomorrow I want you to have answered the following questions: When was I recruited? How did I gain the highest score possible? What evil things have I done as cult? Why have I lynched my fellow cultists? Why have I continued to promote people in my college?

I myself will try to find the answer to "how can they trust a scan result that is obviously wrong?"

Unfortunately, it is too late for this. Now, my headmaster, you can post here without being bound by your body.

Eh... no. We should lynch you. There's plenty of reason for it to be true. You could have been corrupted in a number of ways that we can't verify, since you so rarely show on nights. You claim the investigation is bad/wrong/fraudulent? What's stopping it from *continuing* to be fraudulent? If someone can throw off investigation results, they'll just hit you again and we'll be dancing this same dance tomorrow.

…

Don't bother, I'm not controlling the guild item and won't protect myself either. I hoped to prove it by observing the lack of corruption in an attack and actually doing something useful. Still plans to. That's why I'm still waiting on an answer 'Khaan.

I think our attack on Autolycus proves lack of corruption. It's 5+4+2+1= 12 unmigated damage done. I'm not sure of how it stacks, but ATPG:s corruption of 2 (how did you get that second point btw?) should be the highest value. I think only the highest value counts.

I'll order grand nuke. Neither me nor ATPG shall survive tomorrow. 3 dead, my guild crippled, but at least this buissness will be over in 1 round. Congratulations, mr scan disrupter.

Earth, take out ATPG.
Water take out me.
You can swap if you want. But earth has more firepower I think.
Elite Ferret attack ATPG.
Alsark attack me.

What is this I don't even.

[NinjaCow64]

Yeah, I'm confused as well. Guys, we should attack Ironside first. This splitting of the attacks will probably just let both of them survive. And that would be the worst outcome.

SO: Don't listen to Pizza, just kill Ironside. It's less of a gamble.

[NinjaCow64]

Oh and thanks for killing the water head, you guys are great. I'd give you some of my famous Chilli Con Carne but I can't because I'm dead. And the Necromancy department is REALLY stretched right now.

[Riedquat]

Oh god! this is too good to let it pass!!!

I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

He knew what was going to happen!! This is what happens! How much corruption do you got Atpg? Tell us how it feels?

I really wish to be alive to perform the hit...