Choose Your Own Adventure Mafia [Concluded]

[BSmith]

It was a 3-2 lynch. Only a very few could consider bussing that.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you 100%, but this was not a normal circumstance. Now that we have the results of the write-up we can see that Chaotix likely switched the names of the attacker and the victim.

Even before the reveal that Arjos was scum this was the most likely possibility for the mistake, and as a result Arjos would have gotten a ton of attention/pressure, if not lynched outright. Regardless of whether he was lynched or killed the next day, or if it took a day or two, Arjos was dead meat because of that mistake.

I would absolutely want to make as much lemonade from those lemons as possible. The best way to do that would be to immediately write off Arjos and try to get some town cred for his lynch when it is revealed that he is indeed scum. All the better if I can talk about doing just that in thread to really reinforce that credibility. I believe that Arjos himself even called for his own lynch because he was a distraction (a noble effort at WIFOM, but also in line with a team bus).

On top of this we have the little gem in the latest update that seems to indicate that Arjos was replaced on the scum team by someone else. A reward to help re-balance the potentially game breaking mistake that the host made. If the scum team knew of this in advance - and I am sure there was discussion about the mistake with the GM as soon as it happened – then there is even more incentive to get rid of the distraction, gain town cred, and move on.

I think bussing is quite plausible under these conditions.

Aww, BSmith, after all this time away from Mafia games, I had forgotten about the comedic potential of your posts.

I am a lot of things in mafia, but I doubt comedic relief is one of them. You probably have me confused with someone else.

That said though, your attempt at dismissing my statement off hand raises yet more red flags.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My peepers are on Edse and Jarema at the moment.

I could give like... pro-town reasons or whatever, but I'm more or less nakedly just accusing them of being bad for me in particular.

They give me gas.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, would you please avert your eyes while I'm nakedly accusing people. This is awkward enough for everyone as it is.

[White_eyes:D]

I think we are focusing too much on Pizzaguy...while I feel he does merit some concern, we do have a possible recruitment mechanic going on. Pizzaguy knows I despise those but since it was in the write-up plain as day, it will get a pass.

I am wondering if the combo of lynching someone and picking the wrong choice leads to that...or if it would have happened either way. I need someone's input on who played Chaotix's "Pirate Ninja Robot Zombie Mafia IN SPACE" was recruitment or random deaths by wrong decisions a common thing?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think we are focusing too much on Pizzaguy

True since 2009.

[edse]

My peepers are on Edse and Jarema at the moment.

I could give like... pro-town reasons or whatever, but I'm more or less nakedly just accusing them of being bad for me in particular.

They give me gas.

Hey now, I will soon get higher lynch priority than you if you let me live a couple of days.

[Choxorn]

It was a 3-2 lynch. Only a very few could consider bussing that.

The ghost of choxorn reports that he has both bussed in situations like this and seen bussing occur in situations like this, and doesn't think that it is impossible in this situation.

[Jarema]

ATPG is clearly not mafia aligned. As a result, his night kills have a chance of killing scum and are essentially as good as vigilante kills; they basically count as a free lynching every day, which is good for the town. At the same time, he clearly cannot be trusted as pro-town and we must assume that his victory condition is town-hostile. As a result, while it may be in the town's short-term interests to keep him alive, he absolutely must be lynched eventually. As I see it, there are two factors to consider when determining whether it's time to lynch him.

1) Is ATPG killing actual suspects? If ATPG's kills remove people who were legitimate candidates for lynch votes, his kills are assisting the town. If ATPG's kills remove people who were not going to be lynch candidates, then he is not assisting the town and warrants lynching.

2) Are there non-ATPG-aligned scum still alive? As noted, ATPG is clearly not mafia-aligned. Therefore if you think there are still mafioso alive, ATPG retains value as a possible way to eliminate them. However, if you think all mafioso are dead, ATPG's value to the town ends.

As a result, you should not vote to lynch ATPG if you think that he is killing suspects and there are still mafioso alive. If, on the other hand, you believe that EITHER ATPG is not killing actual suspects OR all mafioso are dead, you should be placing your votes on him.

I before your wisdom

[Jolt]

I would absolutely want to make as much lemonade from those lemons as possible.

With still 19 people alive and two kills per Night (Where one of them is guaranteed to be ATPG)? If I were the Mafia partner, I'd be fricking stupid if I were to kill off a mafia partner. Making as much lemonade as possible would involve me trying to keep my partner alive as long as possible so he could kill as many as possible before dieing, especially since I don't have any suspicion on me. The stupidest thing one can do in this situation is exactly kill a mafia partner who was not established in any way as being mafioso. Willingly incriminating him would a pretty stupid decision.

On top of this we have the little gem in the latest update that seems to indicate that Arjos was replaced on the scum team by someone else. A reward to help re-balance the potentially game breaking mistake that the host made. If the scum team knew of this in advance - and I am sure there was discussion about the mistake with the GM as soon as it happened – then there is even more incentive to get rid of the distraction, gain town cred, and move on.

This is what I love about you. How you like to assume everything to fit into your zionist-masonic-illuminati far-fetched conspiracies. What if the scum team didn't know beforehand? What if there was no discussion with the team and it was just Arjos decision? What if there isn't even a scum team and mafiosi are unaware of each others identities (Like on the Pirate Ninja Robot Zombie game)? What if the other mafioso(s) just decided to try and lynch somebody else instead of stupidly voting for their fellow mafioso and sticking through it, regardless of the very real possibility of just switching one vote and lynching someone else?

But nope. The obvious thing to do, with little less than twenty people still alive, vote for your Mafioso colleague, using a reasoning that is not widely accepted, and maintain the vote even when there is a dead townie telling you to spare him, and no actual scumminess of the mafioso to levarage the town into supporting the lynch.

If I was vaguely smart and was mafioso and had the intention of bussing a colleague, in this situation, I'd much rather have abstained for the tie, and if Arjos died, I could blame TinCow for my decision, while if he lived, then my team would continue with one extra member.

I am a lot of things in mafia, but I doubt comedic relief is one of them. You probably have me confused with someone else.

Nah, I remember very well. It was a game where we could vote to give items to someone still playing. Midway into the game, you had the most outlandish conspiracies and on how I was part of the Mafia, and how you tried to make everything make sense even though you had already failed to predict things that had happened in the game, and by some points, you were completely discredited, but still kept rambling on and on, much to my delight. Even when I took the time to counter your arguments, you'd usually say that me arguing with you ultimately proved that I was trying hard to discredit you and that it only meant that I was even more suspicious. I remember it because it was the only occasion where I used that video I now post to you. I also vaguely remember saying that by the end, when the roles were revealed, you'd eat your own words. I can't remember how the game ended, but I remember I was a regular townie in that game, so I hope you did indeed took time to eat your own words.

That said though, your attempt at dismissing my statement off hand raises yet more red flags.

Why do I get a sense of deja vu?

[BSmith]

With still 19 people alive and two kills per Night (Where one of them is guaranteed to be ATPG)? If I were the Mafia partner, I'd be fricking stupid if I were to kill off a mafia partner. Making as much lemonade as possible would involve me trying to keep my partner alive as long as possible so he could kill as many as possible before dieing, especially since I don't have any suspicion on me. The stupidest thing one can do in this situation is exactly kill a mafia partner who was not established in any way as being mafioso. Willingly incriminating him would a pretty stupid decision.

Again – normally, yes, but the write-up mistake was a game changer. Let’s not pretend it wasn’t.

This is what I love about you. How you like to assume everything to fit into your zionist-masonic-illuminati far-fetched conspiracies. What if the scum team didn't know beforehand? What if there was no discussion with the team and it was just Arjos decision? What if there isn't even a scum team and mafiosi are unaware of each others identities (Like on the Pirate Ninja Robot Zombie game)? What if the other mafioso(s) just decided to try and lynch somebody else instead of stupidly voting for their fellow mafioso and sticking through it, regardless of the very real possibility of just switching one vote and lynching someone else?

First off… I am a freemason. So no need for the conspiracies.

Second – should we not hypothesize here? Should we not brainstorm and talk out possibilities? Should we just let the scum coordinate in peace and let them kill us off one by one? What is your strategy here?

And I was the Robot in the other game. I am pretty familiar with how that was set up. This game feels different to me.

But nope. The obvious thing to do, with little less than twenty people still alive, vote for your Mafioso colleague, using a reasoning that is not widely accepted, and maintain the vote even when there is a dead townie telling you to spare him, and no actual scumminess of the mafioso to levarage the town into supporting the lynch.

If I was vaguely smart and was mafioso and had the intention of bussing a colleague, in this situation, I'd much rather have abstained for the tie, and if Arjos died, I could blame TinCow for my decision, while if he lived, then my team would continue with one extra member.

Given the reality of the situation this is a very likely decision. Let’s not dismiss it out of hand.

Nah, I remember very well. It was a game where we could vote to give items to someone still playing. Midway into the game, you had the most outlandish conspiracies and on how I was part of the Mafia, and how you tried to make everything make sense even though you had already failed to predict things that had happened in the game, and by some points, you were completely discredited, but still kept rambling on and on, much to my delight. Even when I took the time to counter your arguments, you'd usually say that me arguing with you ultimately proved that I was trying hard to discredit you and that it only meant that I was even more suspicious. I remember it because it was the only occasion where I used that video I now post to you. I also vaguely remember saying that by the end, when the roles were revealed, you'd eat your own words. I can't remember how the game ended, but I remember I was a regular townie in that game, so I hope you did indeed took time to eat your own words.

I don’t remember the game either, but it could have been me. I wish I was always right, but I’ll let my record be my witness.

And you do seem a little sensitive to the attention…

[Chaotix]

NIGHT 3

Most of the other workers had gone to sleep by now, but the continuing volcanic eruption was keeping Ishmael awake.

He was pretty sure that they were far enough away from the volcano that they were in no immediate danger. They might get some toxins in their system from breathing in the falling ash, but the magma floes were far enough away that they wouldn’t wake up on fire. A gas mask would sure be nice right about now, though – Ishmael wondered where the Foreman had gotten his.

The light radiating from the far-off lava was what was keeping Ishmael awake. He decided since he was awake anyway, he might as well check that stuff out. From a safe distance, of course.

So Ishmael found himself overlooking a nice little river of molten rock flowing through a small valley between two hills. The heat was certainly a welcome change from the cold nights on the waste he had grown accustomed to.

What Ishmael was not accustomed to was being pushed down hills into deadly lava streams. Unfortunately for him, that is exactly what happened. The agent chuckled from the top of the hill, and then left as soon as he was certain his victim had been melted into a puddle of organic material.

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“PSSST--”

Double A stirred in his sleep.

“PSSSSSSSST--”

Double A groggily awoke. He looked around him. He was pretty sure he had heard something, but he couldn’t tell where it came from.

“PSSSSSST--”

There it was again. Double A looked to his left to find two red eyes staring right back at him.

“Hello?”

“Hey, kid. Want some candy?”

Did he want some candy? Was that even a question? Of COURSE Double A wanted candy. There was never a moment when he didn’t want candy, even after being rudely awoken in the middle of the night in a presumably dangerous situation. There was only one relevant question on his mind.

“Is it free?”

“Umm… yes. Totally free. Free candy. Now just follow me.”

That was all Double A had to hear. He got up and started to follow the creepy black silhouette that the creepy red eyes were attached to. He followed for about a minute or so, and then he fell.

It was only about a three-foot drop, but he hadn’t seen the hole in the dark so it caught him off guard. He landed flat on his face in… candy? There was no doubt about it! He hadn’t just caught a mouthful of dirt and ash, that was sweet, sweet candy.

“Dude, this is awesome!”

“Yes, and it’s all for you. Have as much candy as you like!”

So Double A continued to eat candy for what must have been at least an hour or two. All the while, the creepy red eyes watched from above. When Double A began to physically feel his teeth rotting, he decided it was about time to stop.

“All right, I think I’ve had about enough. I’ll finish it off tomorrow.”

Double A began to try to climb out, but he soon realized the edge of the pit was now far over his head. The walls were slick and he couldn’t get a grip on them.

“Hey, what gives? I’m stuck here!”

“Yes, it appears you have eaten yourself into quite a predicament. Mwehehehehe!”

With that, the red eyes vanished, leaving Double A all alone. Then he started to get cramps.

“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!”

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When they awoke, there were only 16 of them. Foreman Chaotix addressed them all through his gas mask.

“All right, folks. We’ve been doing some good work out there, and I aim to continue that. Some preliminary scouts have revealed two things of interest. The first is a radio tower to the east. We could presumably use that to re-establish contact with the Republic. That would be helpful since we actually haven’t been able to contact them at all since somebody suggested we should go in the opposite direction of the Republic.”

The workers all looked at each other. They went with the silent assumption that whoever that was had probably been killed already.

“The problem is that this radio tower lies in what is officially Coldensk territory. The second is that we’re getting some pretty strange radiation readings from the north. And I’m not talking nuclear strange. I’m talking really strange.”

That sounded pretty ominous.

“Those are our options. Take a vote and let’s assign a forward scout for today.”

BEGIN DAY 4

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Alive: 16
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
dcmort93
edse
Elite Ferret
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ironside
Jarema
Jolt
LazyMcCrow
Riedquat
robbiecon
Visorslash
White_eyes:D


Not Alive: 10
Choxorn - Should've said he was a witch.
Zack - Will probably be reincarnated as a Space Whale.
The King - Is probably wishing he was still called Ibn Khaldun.
Darth Feather - Never liked licorice much anyway.
Montmorency - Is probably medium-rare right about now.
Makrell - Is in sweet, sweet heaven.
TinCow - Shouldn't have lost his head in that argument.
Arjos - He may be dead, but his legacy lives on...
Ishmael - Is between a rock and a hot place. Actually, he is between two hot molten rocks. Or actually it could be three.
Double A - Swam in so much sugar he got the bends.


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Lynch Vote in Bold

Choice Vote in Red. Your options are Radio Tower or Radioactive

You've got 24 hours.

[Chaotix]

Foreman Chaotix's Handy Dandy Swiss Army Wristwatch:

[Jolt]

Again – normally, yes, but the write-up mistake was a game changer. Let’s not pretend it wasn’t.

We don't even know if Arjos already had such a power or not.

Second – should we not hypothesize here? Should we not brainstorm and talk out possibilities? Should we just let the scum coordinate in peace and let them kill us off one by one? What is your strategy here?

Oh, I'm all for the town brainstorming. Your ideas however, are quite equal to themselves. Never that accurate or credible.

Given the reality of the situation this is a very likely decision. Let’s not dismiss it out of hand.

Killing a mafia colleague in a game with still 10 rounds to go is a silly decision, no matter how you put it. Hence, unless you're assuming that the Mafia team is silly, then no, it's not really that likely. If you're getting to the end-game and you need that boost of confidence to get you through the last rounds of lynch, then it becomes profitable to ditch a team member. Doing that on Day 3, however, is just stupid. Mind you, people do all kinds of stupid decisions on Mafia games, but I neither a noob nor stupid.

I don’t remember the game either, but it could have been me. I wish I was always right, but I’ll let my record be my witness.

Unfortunately for you, that's quite contrary to what I've seen you do here.

And you do seem a little sensitive to the attention…

More red flags, right? I won't even argue with you anymore. From my experience, it's like talking to a wall.
Regardless of what happens, once my role is revealed, you'll be eating your own words a second time.

[Jolt]

Vote: Visorslash

No reason, just a gut feeling.

[Montmorency]

Regardless of what happens, once my role is revealed

Robot Pirate Zombie Ninja all over again! You're not looking good here.

[Ishmael]

Well, my death was fairly predictable. At least I got some sightseeing in before I went.

With regards to the actual game, something about Visorslash seems off in this game. I can't actually find any grounds to lynch him, but you guys might want to keep an eye on him.

[Jolt]

Robot Pirate Zombie Ninja all over again! You're not looking good here.

I did tell last game, that I was defending myself exactly as I would, being a townie.

[Visor]

Well, my death was fairly predictable. At least I got some sightseeing in before I went.

With regards to the actual game, something about Visorslash seems off in this game. I can't actually find any grounds to lynch him, but you guys might want to keep an eye on him.

Because I haven't gone crazy yet? I've been busy with real life and Jarrema's game on CFC to go very hard on this game. Though I have the day free and just posted my update in my other game so I have a little more time today.

What I want to look at, is the game mechanics of the Coldenskians first. I have a theory that someone else has probably already said.

(next post)

[Montmorency]

I did tell last game, that I was defending myself exactly as I would, being a townie.

Why would you all of a sudden claim a role like that?

[Jolt]

Why would you all of a sudden claim a role like that?

What role?

[Montmorency]

Regardless of what happens, once my role is revealed

[Jarema]

yeah, interesting. Do you have any role?

[edse]

I believe you Jolt.

vote: Jarema because ATPG

[LazyMcCrow]

I believe you Jolt.

vote: Jarema because ATPG

Nope. vote: edse because ATPG

...and because too defensive. Jarema smells ok by comparison

[Choxorn]

The ghost of choxorn finds some marshmellows, graham crackers, and chocolate bars in Double A's candy pile and goes to the lava flow to make smores.

They taste mildly radioactive.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: edse courteously - on a hunch.

Vote: Radiation

I don't want to entertain the possibility of correctly 'lynching' a Coldenskian, only to send them to a Coldensk Radio Tower...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Killing a mafia colleague in a game with still 10 rounds to go is a silly decision, no matter how you put it. Hence, unless you're assuming that the Mafia team is silly, then no, it's not really that likely. If you're getting to the end-game and you need that boost of confidence to get you through the last rounds of lynch, then it becomes profitable to ditch a team member. Doing that on Day 3, however, is just stupid. Mind you, people do all kinds of stupid decisions on Mafia games, but I neither a noob nor stupid.

Neither am I and I've played many a game by attacking my mafia buddies early.

My second game I tried to get my only partner Wogged for inactivity, and voted repeatedly to lynch him.

I've bussed countless teammates. Sometimes as early as Day One.

Stupid decisions can sometimes be unstupid. It's mafia. We exist to destroy your brain's reasoning center.

For it is through reasoning that we will deceive, and through that deception, triumph.

Vote: Jolt

[Jarema]

I am surprised I agree with ATPG on it.
But Jolt analysis seems kind of stinky WIFOM
so, vote: Jolt
and Vote: Radiation

[Riedquat]

Vote: Jolt and vote: radiation

[Jolt]

yeah, interesting. Do you have any role?

I got a Role PM just like everyone else. Being a townie is also a role.

Neither am I and I've played many a game by attacking my mafia buddies early.

My second game I tried to get my only partner Wogged for inactivity, and voted repeatedly to lynch him.

I've bussed countless teammates. Sometimes as early as Day One.

Stupid decisions can sometimes be unstupid. It's mafia. We exist to destroy your brain's reasoning center.

For it is through reasoning that we will deceive, and through that deception, triumph.

Vote: Jolt

I'm sorry, but how is any of this relevant in voting for me? Obviously I have to do reasoningn because its the obvious thing when people come with far-fetched theories. What do you want me to do? Say they are right? What exactly is my lynch reason here? That I managed to lynch one mafioso? That I'm talking too much compared to the others who voted for the same mafioso who are not?

You're saying that we shouldn't utilize reasoning to play this game and those that are most probably right in their reasoning should be lynched just because you acted illogically in some games? If you're a townie in Mafia game, would you condone to being lynched for basically using logic and discrediting someone who very clearly was not using it?

I am surprised I agree with ATPG on it.
But Jolt analysis seems kind of stinky WIFOM
so, vote: Jolt
and Vote: Radiation

WHAT WIFOM??? I lynched a fricking Mafioso, while you were throwing votes around randomly (As a Mafioso would fricking do). As a result have been accused of being Mafia in the process (Which makes no sense and there's literally nothing to prove it) setting him up through a conspiracy (Which makes no sense and there is literally nothing to prove it), even though if I was or any of the others who voted for him were Mafia, there would be zero reasoning for that guy to kill him. It was in nowhere established that he was either a mafioso or a townie. Those are the facts. I am a regular townie. No special powers. That's why I was saying he is going to swallow his own words. There is no WIFOM here.

I'm tired. The fact that I need to defend killing a conspiracy theorists and no reasoners voters apparently demonstrates the level of competence of this town.

So let's end this. Let's show us all how smart we all are by lynching me.

Unvote,
Vote: Jolt