68 Years Ago Today

[Empire*Of*Media]

Please In My Posts dont misunderstand !! i mean no hatred or offend to anyone !!

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It is written on The Wall of Text!!!!????(tm) that HollyWood already has that position.

While I believe Strikes hatred of both KAV and Soviets is that he secretly wants to be a communist bar tender seeing to all the needs of the Soviet woman.

Exactly Right!!

"I'm a civilized human being." You mean, belonging to a civilisation having roots with Greece?

you think only wild spartans & slaver greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!!

[Fragony]

German's didn't rape, you kidding me. The Germans have been an absolute terror to the Polish and the Russian people, the chivalry they showed in western-europe was completily absent in the eastern countries

[Rhyfelwyr]

Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.

[Greyblades]

Is that as in "most devastating because of the scale of the wars they were in were devastating regardless of their respective involvement" or as "they were manically destructive bastards".

[Tellos Athenaios]

I just like it when Rhy is being contrarian.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Is that as in "most devastating because of the scale of the wars they were in were devastating regardless of their respective involvement" or as "they were manically destructive bastards".

The latter, since they were aware of the scale of their actions, though the former naturally allowed it.

Churchill and Truman have proven themselves to be mass murders by their own actions - that they didn't attempt to slaughter their own populations like their enemies did is simply a happy consequence of the fact that they didn't happen to regard a large portion of them to be untermenchen or security threats.

[Greyblades]

The latter, since they were aware of the scale of their actions, though the former naturally allowed it.

Churchill and Truman have proven themselves to be mass murders by their own actions - that they didn't attempt to slaughter their own populations like their enemies did is simply a happy consequence of the fact that they didn't happen to regard a large portion of them to be untermenchen or security threats.

Meh, war is dirty business, still dont see what makes these two particularly destructive that isnt explained through access to methods of war unavailable to most of the rest of history's war leaders.

[Fragony]

Meh, war is dirty business, still dont see what makes these two particularly destructive that isnt explained through access to methods of war unavailable to most of the rest of history's war leaders.

Seems pretty obvious where the difference is, after the Netherlands was pwnd German soldiers had to solute captives. In the east taking prisoners wasn't all that important they just got killed

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.

By modern lights, yes. Churchill's sanction of the Hamburg Fire Attack and Truman's decision to nuke a second Japanese city alone would count as war crimes by current definitions as both leaders were certain of massive civilian casualties and made no efforts to minimize or limit those deaths. In fact, it can be argued that both leaders sought those civilian deaths in acts of terrorism (modern definition) designed to break the will of the opposition. In Truman's case, it can be argued that the act of terror worked.

Remember, however, that if you apply modern definitions to the acts of the past, most human cultures are little except for a collection of war criminals and thugs. Most of the Roman justice code involved what is labeled torture by modern definitions. The Feudal system of Western Europe was based on serfdom (functionally on slavery). Drogheda & Badajoz were sacked because they did not surrender when outnumbered and had to be assaulted. Aussie infantry in the trenchs of the Western Front were noted for their "too late chum" practice of bayonetting any surrendered German who -- in their opinion -- had been firing their weapon for too long before surrendering.

Be careful when applying modern definitions of morality and ethics to the past. Such applications are not without value, but they rarely account for the "there-then" context of those actions very well.

[Husar]

The Feudal system of Western Europe was based on serfdom (functionally on slavery).

You mean a social contract. The citizenry provided vital labor and the lord and his men offered security and upholding of the law in return. Of course not all of the protectors took the protection aspect to heart, but today we have similar issues with protection vs privacy/freedom. There were actually a few cases where peasants won lawsuits against noblemen in courts, at least in Habsburg Germany/Austria.
All in all I'm sure they had a jolly good time without having to watch reality TV all day.

[Empire*Of*Media]

Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.

Right !! at least i found one knows a little of truth !!
churchil was a real bastard that served cunningly for the OLD FOX BRITAIN !!

[Sarmatian]

Right !! at least i found one knows a little of truth !!

Well, you can't have him. He's mine.

[Strike For The South]

It was a very simple and yet very appropriate response. You always were always rather extravagant with your posts, but lately you've been losing all sense of taste. Did Louis leaving really hit you that hard?

Desperate plea for love and attention. I don't think I've really ever hid it

Well, you can't have him. He's mine.

Will you be my Vlade Divac?

[Sarmatian]

Desperate plea for love and attention. I don't think I've really ever hid it

It was subtler.

Will you be my Vlade Divac?

I can't come up with an equally witty response that doesn't sound gay. I'm getting old.

[Sir Moody]

you think only wild spartans & slaver greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!!

The Greeks actually coined the term Civilised and Barbarian which is what Brenus was joking about - funnily enough the Greeks didn't consider the Spartans civilised...