don't be so sure ICSD - their current support is purely because of Europe, if the public knew what else they stand for most would back away from them - if we do leave Europe then their support will basically drop off a cliff...
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don't be so sure ICSD - their current support is purely because of Europe, if the public knew what else they stand for most would back away from them - if we do leave Europe then their support will basically drop off a cliff...
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But until that happens they will likely grow and influence. I can't imagine a world that, over the table and without any shadow maneuvering, gives up the hard fought right to govern itself. This goes as much for sovereign states as it does for sovereign individuals. Those days of rights sacrifice have to be over. Progress in the future is expanding rights and safeguarding them against Statism. This is the radical idea, that individuals have rights and can govern themselves with a minimal State as a servant, rather than as a master.Originally Posted by Sir Moody
This is the new idea, this is not a conservative idea. The idea of state as benefactor or moral arbiter is the old idea and must be thrown into the dustbin.
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The grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Ukip are Tories.
Watching the tories meltdown over Europe is always entertaining.
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You'd think so wouldn't you. However South Shields paints a rather different picture. Since Labour abandoned the working classes it's all up for grabs.
Oh yes that's just what we need, more clueless politicos blathering on about how they are going to fix the thing they buggered up in the first place.Yes, because talking about the economy forever will fix it. Any solution will take years for it to be fully implemented.
Politicians don't fix anything. It's business that will get the economy sorted. You know the guys who actually do something.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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yeah, it turns out they're even worse than the tories. The conservative party does what it does because they benefit personally from thier policies. Ukip are actually so crazy they have come to actually believe what they do is in the UK' best interests.
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personally the funniest thing I find about UKIP is the PR job they have pulled on Nigel Farage
They have successfully made him out as a "man of the people" by sticking him in pubs for all of his interviews etc - what profession do you think he made his fortune in?
Investment Banking - the second most hated profession after career politicians... now that's top spin doctoring
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The guys who actually do something are mostly on minimum wage. Someone has to earn all the money for the golden parachutes and for the bailouts for those who are "too big for golden parachutes". It's really tough to be at the top.
The solution is Marxism.
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