Socialism: the problem and prescription's of Marx

[Husar]

Where did you get that from? I chastised him for what he says, I have said nothing about his circumstances let alone "made fun" of them.
I have not done anything that would indicate such and I find you implying such insuling.
Again: If I was unfair I would have jumped on him for his upbringing, his heritage or some other factor outside of his control. But instead I attacked his behaviour on the forum which has been disgraceful.
I dont attack people for what they cant be held responsible for, but dont tell me that his behavior is out of his own control.

The opinion of a person is not entirely in their control, no. It is to an extent but if you told me to seriously believe in Jedi and the force today I couldn't just do it, could you? Could you arrange it within a month? Do you think being born in the western world, being taught by parents and teachers who held certain beliefs etc. had no impact on your opinions at all and you formed them all completely independently? If you ever changed your opinion on something fundamental, how long did it take? How often did you discuss someone and they immediately accepted all your points after they held the opposite opinion before?

Accusations of a closed mind, of harrassing the disabled and the uneducated? I actually think it is actually you who is worked up and angry here.

Nah, no such accusations, I'm calm. I was just wondering why seemingly insult someone so harshly for having a weird opinion which may not entirely be his own fault but not others for things that may not be in their control.

...Where are you getting this from? I told him to improve or leave, I have made no effort to enforce it and I hope that he will improve, but if someone didnt say it, he was not going to change, had that happened he would have been silenced anyway by the moderators, probably after the usual internet drama that could have incited other people into leaving in disgust.

The way you phrased it it sounded a lot more aggressive and more like you just told him that he's dumb and you want him to leave.
Maybe work on your delivery then.

Thinking that freemasons/zionists/whatever might be controlling the world behind the scenes is proof of a closed mind, not an open one.

A mind completely closed to reason and logic. Because it simply doesn't get any more retarded than thinking a shadowy clique of evil men run everything. Quickly disregarding such nonsense is proof of a mind open to real reasons for why the world is as it is.


Having said that, I am still unsure on whether I want to talk some sense in the the NWO-believers or not. I mean, they're simply hilarious. Why would I want to lose an excellent source of fun?

Do you approach your children in class in the same way if they hold some weird belief that e.g. their parents taught them?
Or are all your children perfect in Norway? You're usually the guy who says most of our behavior and beliefs are a result of our circumstances and we don't even know Medya's circumstances, upbringing and education so I would expect there is a reason he believes that and he can be talked out of it. You're absolutely right about the closed mind and if he just leaves because we don't accept his "message" then yes, he has a closed mind and wants to keep it that way.

We've been discussing gun control with certain members here for years now but I haven't seen anyone tell the other side to stop being stupid or leave. It's a different issue but it's not like there has been a huge change of opinions going on either.

[Greyblades]

The opinion of a person is not entirely in their control, no. It is to an extent but if you told me to seriously believe in Jedi and the force today I couldn't just do it, could you? Could you arrange it within a month? Do you think being born in the western world, being taught by parents and teachers who held certain beliefs etc. had no impact on your opinions at all and you formed them all completely independently? If you ever changed your opinion on something fundamental, how long did it take? How often did you discuss someone and they immediately accepted all your points after they held the opposite opinion before?

A long time, I still needed alot of pushing and it seemed Emperor wasnt getting one.

Nah, no such accusations, I'm calm. I was just wondering why seemingly insult someone so harshly for having a weird opinion which may not entirely be his own fault but not others for things that may not be in their control.

Because I was half under the impression of a troll, and my patience was stretched thin what with the seemingly simultanious return of totalrelism and AVG around the same time he showed up. I am sorry about the insinuations about stupidity but the kid (I think?) needed a push in the right direction.

[HoreTore]

Do you approach your children in class in the same way if they hold some weird belief that e.g. their parents taught them?
Or are all your children perfect in Norway? You're usually the guy who says most of our behavior and beliefs are a result of our circumstances and we don't even know Medya's circumstances, upbringing and education so I would expect there is a reason he believes that and he can be talked out of it. You're absolutely right about the closed mind and if he just leaves because we don't accept his "message" then yes, he has a closed mind and wants to keep it that way.

We've been discussing gun control with certain members here for years now but I haven't seen anyone tell the other side to stop being stupid or leave. It's a different issue but it's not like there has been a huge change of opinions going on either.

Writing about how zionists control the world is a sure way of getting a zero, yes.



But no, I do approach children and adults differently. And the children in my class address me differently as well, and because of that your point is moot.

[The Lurker Below]

I wonder about Fragony's bicycles. I can't imagine they receive the same care and maintenance that bicycles in places where private property is respected receive. It seems there would be less incentive to acquire a quality bike. On the surface it sounds great they we're all out here sharing our rides together. But in retrospect we're tooling around on low quality, maintenance lacking hunks of junk. Super, let's transfer that program to all aspects of our lives.

Perhaps the most capitalistic thing we have is insurance. We bet against ourselves, as some random guy with money bets in our favor, with odds HIGHLY on his side. How many people here with responsibilities are ready and willing to give up their insurance? Does insurance not exist in socialist communities? Er, is there a successful socialist community in the world today?

[Papewaio]

Pretty much the top ten countries are in the majority socialist democracies with universal health care.

The reason New Zealand has so many high risk adventure sports is that it has universal health care and accident insurance for everyone. Doesn't mean they don't look after themselves or get additional insurance. It just means tourists can enjoy adventurous attractions and locals of all monetary incomes can enjoy rigorous sports and occupations without penalty.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Sorry to be off topic, but who is AVG?

[Greyblades]

Sorry to be off topic, but who is AVG?

A misspelling of RVG.

[HoreTore]

A misspelling of RVG.

RVP?

What's Van Persie doing here?

[Brenus]

"Er, is there a successful socialist community in the world today?" : Er, is there a successful capitalist community in the world today?. There, fixed for you.