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    nope.
    Okay....?

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    Okay....?

    Could you please call Hawking and tell him you have groundbreaking new information for him?
    I tried but he doesn't pick up the phone for some reason. But protons have no mass. They sit in the core of an atom and keep electrons in check with magnitism, plus and minus, atoms can be stable or unstable depending on the amount and the number of spheres of electrons. That is basic chemistry, atoms can merge and form molecules

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    That is basic chemistry, atoms can merge and form molecules
    That is indeed both basic and correct, but protons still do have mass.
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    That is indeed both basic and correct, but protons still do have mass.
    Protons have mass - electrons and photons have negligible mass.
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    Protons have mass - electrons and photons have negligible mass.
    Photons are the protestants of the world of chemistry.
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    Protons were discovered by Ernest Rutherford - a home schooled New Zealander.

    They have a mass of 1.6726 x 10^-27 kg each.

    Neutrons 1.6749 x 10^-27 each.

    So neutron is heavier but not by much.

    Electrons are a mere 9.109 x 10^-31 kg

    Electrons are to Protons what grams are to kg (~ three orders of magnitude)
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    I tried but he doesn't pick up the phone for some reason. But protons have no mass. They sit in the core of an atom and keep electrons in check with magnitism, plus and minus, atoms can be stable or unstable depending on the amount and the number of spheres of electrons. That is basic chemistry, atoms can merge and form molecules
    Let me put it this way. If protons have no mass, the sun started out pretty much mass less and is slowly creating more mass. That would in turn make us slowly falling into the sun (not counting that a mass less sun wouldn't be able to keep any planets in the first place). I think Pape is correct and you mixed up photons and protons on the mass matter.

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    Protons have mass - electrons and photons have negligible mass.
    Photons has no mass, although they still do have momentum. With the Higgs particle confirmed, it means that photons doesn't interact with the Higgs particle, afaik.

    Correct that the electron mass is negligable compared to a proton.
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    Photons has no mass, although they still do have momentum. With the Higgs particle confirmed, it means that photons doesn't interact with the Higgs particle, afaik.
    Sure they but they need a negative

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    Not laughing at you. Just sad that school missed teaching you science.

    Chemistry is about how atoms and molecules interact; psychology for molecules. It is a crossroads between biology and geology and it uses physics to describe the models of the atom and molecules.

    Chemistry defines elements by the number of protons they have:
    1 proton = hydrogen
    2 protons = helium
    3 protons = lithium
    4 protons = beryllium
    5 protons = boron
    6 protons = carbon
    7 protons = nitrogen
    8 protons = oxygen

    That's the first eight and most important to us as a large chunk of biology uses carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen.
    Oil is essentially different combinations of Carbon and Hydrogen. Whilst alcohol is composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.
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    Not laughing at you. Just sad that school missed teaching you science.

    Chemistry is about how atoms and molecules interact; psychology for molecules. It is a crossroads between biology and geology and it uses physics to describe the models of the atom and molecules.

    Chemistry defines elements by the number of protons they have:
    1 proton = hydrogen
    2 protons = helium
    3 protons = lithium
    4 protons = beryllium
    5 protons = boron
    6 protons = carbon
    7 protons = nitrogen
    8 protons = oxygen

    That's the first eight and most important to us as a large chunk of biology uses carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen.
    Oil is essentially different combinations of Carbon and Hydrogen. Whilst alcohol is composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.
    All you mention are molecules, atoms have only tree building stones.

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    All you mention are molecules, atoms have only tree building stones.
    Yes, but depending on how many of those they have you get different atoms.

    IIRC their numbers are usually equal, so oxygen would have 8 protons, 8 neutrons and 8 electrons, though I'm not sure about the neutrons, IIRC sometimes they are not equal to the protons. If there are less electrons than neutrons you have an ion, it has an overall positive load. Ionisation is basically when an electron is kicked out of an atom by something from outside. I forgot what it's called when there are more electrons, could be isotope but IIRC isotope was some other deviation where it's the same element but has more neutrons or protons or something.

    I know it's important and interesting but somehow I'm not that fond of chemistry...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    All you mention are molecules, atoms have only tree building stones.
    I'll run the basics for you. You know some of it, but have other things mixed up.

    That's 3 types of building stones for normal matter. Protons, neutrons and electrons.

    Protons are positivly charged and determines the element, like Pape pointed out.

    Neutrons are neutrally charged and keeps the protons together in the atom core. Their number also decides the isotope, which have slighty different properties. The biggest influence has to do with stability, which causes that some isotopes are radioactive. For example C14 (Carbon-14) is radioactive, while C12 and C13 are stable.

    Electrons are negativly charged and are balancing protons, so they are the same number in atomic form. Electrons moves very easily though, creating ions, atoms and molecules that are having a charge.

    Molecules are when 2 or more (up to many, many more) of atoms are bound together to make a specific unit. Those molecules does in turn interact with eachother, forming everything we see, since all molecules by themselves are very, very small.
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