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    Default Re: Will Obamacare succeed where term limits failed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    I'm not even claiming it would solve everything
    You haven't got any evidence suggesting it would solve anything. Nor has any substantial proposal been put forward by the nihilists in Congress.

    You appear to have an almost purely negative agenda, with no politically or financially realistic plan for what to do afterwards. See earlier quotes from Ramesh Ponnoru to see what I think of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    Again, you can try to blame whoever you want for it
    Not trying to "blame" anyone, just correctly and factually charting the legislative and published history of the initiatives that became Obamacare. It's all factual, it's all on record. Any resemblance between Grouch Marx singing "I'm Against It" and current Republican doom-sayers is purely voluntary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    If you had a hangnail and someone suggested sawing off your arm to fix it and I said we shouldn't, would you chastise me for not having a plan??
    I'd say, "Show me successful hangnail removal, please," and you'd be able to do so. I can reel off dozens of countries that have successfully integrated some form of single-payer healthcare into their economy, and I can link to the overall healthcare results and cost savings. Hell, in this thread I already have. These aren't even controversial or contested statistics.

    Single-payer healthcare has facts, empiricism, and real-world results. Private sector healthcare has ideology (and in the USA, inertia). Explain to me which of these proposals, on this basis, is more "conservative."
    Last edited by Lemur; 07-02-2013 at 22:32. Reason: Added some linkage.

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