House votes to continue NSA spying on citizens

[rvg]

Oh yes, by all means! But remember the kid in Texas. It was an obvious joke but they locked him up and through away the key.

That's because it was just him. Add a million more and the system becomes useless.

[Strike For The South]

5 years ago the same people bemoaning the government now were actively cheering it on and throwing out the traitor line at any opportunity. I feel less than nothing for you people.

This is what the nation state does, in fact if the United States wasn't doing this I would think the bureaucrats are getting lazy. The correct way to change this is to organize, and elect representatives whom will change the law and afford the same protections to phone and e-traffic that the post gets (which was a big battle in its day) This is nothing new, correspondence has always been a privacy vs security battle.

The real "Orwellian" thing here is this melodrama on the internet. People confirm their biases, bitch, throw around words like stasi and bemoan the state of things to make themselves feel important. You know what's important? Voting, excersising your rights as a citizen.

I'm just waiting for some obese, mouth breathing, tea party ass to pump a postal worker full of lead because he's a government employee. There is nothing worse in this life than people with short memories.

[Fisherking]

Since you seem to be talking about me, your memory is quite screwed up if you think I took the government side on these issues, ever. I said the patriot act was a mistake when they did it, as was homeland security. Look at the other stuff coming out about DEA and FBI phone surveillance.

Yes we need to get rid of the people in there and their parties to go with them! The only difference between the two is the brand of lies they tell.

Come back when you are sober.

[Kadagar_AV]

Uh... Sorry to say so, but wasn't this known in the 90's? The whole Echelon thingy...

It's 2013 now, no one has stopped them, and of course they have refined the technology used.

I think the lack of moral uproar is due to everyone knowing USA is ****** up. It's not new, nor is it news.

*and some people wonder why I paint USA as the devil*

[Xiahou]

I'm just waiting for some obese, mouth breathing, tea party ass to pump a postal worker full of lead because he's a government employee. There is nothing worse in this life than people with short memories.

Yeah, because there's a lot of evidence for the violent tendencies of tea partiers. If only they could be more like those nice OWS guys....

By the way, how are things in fantasy land?

You know what's important? Voting, excersising your rights as a citizen.

You think it would have been any different under President Romney?

[TheLastDays]

You think it would have been any different under President Romney?

Mitt Romney oder ohne?

Different, maybe but that doesn't necessarily mean better...

[Husar]

The correct way to change this is to organize, and elect representatives whom will change the law and afford the same protections to phone and e-traffic that the post gets (which was a big battle in its day)

Oh, that would be a good point if the post weren't actually monitored as well:

Source you won't like: http://rt.com/usa/us-nsa-mail-spying-706/
Source with partially related content: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us...anted=all&_r=0
Source on subject: http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-usp...efore-delivery
Another source on subject: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3694589.html

Now they're not reading the contents yet, but they do provide all the information about origin and destination that law enforcement asks for it seems.

[Beskar]

Secure Email servers such as Lavabit (one of many) are being taken offline by the United States government.

The Lavabit website says this:

My Fellow Users,

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

[a completely inoffensive name]

Stop using the internet.
Pay in cash.
Encrypt your computer.

I went to Kohl's to buy some shorts and they asked if I wanted to sign up for a Kohl's card. I said sure, why not. When I got my Ralph's card, they didn't even have me turn in the paperwork, cashier just gave me a card and as far as I know, neither my name nor phone number is even associated with it.

But Kohl's? They wanted my SSN in order to get the card. Hell no. I told the lady I forgot my number and to forget about it. She then looked at me like I was an idiot and asked how I did not know my SSN. I said, idk I rarely need it, just let me buy my shorts and leave lady. I would rather have people think I am an idiot than paranoid. It's probably safer that way in the first place.

[Papewaio]

I thought paranoid was the easy one to pull off... But if you want to pull off a lie go with your strengths.

They weren't shorts, they were hot pants ... At least that is what the NSA brief of briefs said.

[Noncommunist]

That's because it was just him. Add a million more and the system becomes useless.

But for that to work, everyone would need to be confident that everyone else is doing it. Otherwise, many would be less willing to stick their neck out for fear that others wouldn't and only the brave idiots get in trouble. Not quite prisoners dilemma but stag hunt where free riding doesn't really offer much of an advantage but confidence is still needed for everyone to get on board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stag_hunt

[rvg]

But for that to work, everyone would need to be confident that everyone else is doing it. Otherwise, many would be less willing to stick their neck out for fear that others wouldn't and only the brave idiots get in trouble. Not quite prisoners dilemma but stag hunt where free riding doesn't really offer much of an advantage but confidence is still needed for everyone to get on board.

Not necessary. There are plenty of ways to word the inquiries so that they would both flag the system and yet firmly remain under the 1st amendment's protection.

[Fisherking]

Not necessary. There are plenty of ways to word the inquiries so that they would both flag the system and yet firmly remain under the 1st amendment's protection.

Unless http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-l...tion-free-zone

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights...-free-zone-map

Your in Michigan, right? Guess what…

[rvg]

Unless http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-l...tion-free-zone

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights...-free-zone-map

Your in Michigan, right? Guess what…

How does this apply to the 1st amendment? Government stupidity with regards to hunting the illegals is a whole different beast.