The Conspiracy of Everything!

[Myth]

syria is the natural result of unresolved conflicts in syrian society fueled by economic downturn and regional spillover effects. T

The roots of the conflict in Syria lie not in three decades of suppression the respective Assad (Hafez and Bashar) regimes, but were simply the result of "The West".

Ironically this kind of "West" (or Israel) blaming is something we encounter a lot throughout the Middle-East itself: rather than facing problems on their own terms and trying to work towards realistic and viable goals, whenever something goes wrong, it's automatically blamed on "western/zionist interference".

Get a grip.

The third sentence of your OP reads:
Which puts it deep into idiot-land. Most of the rest fits the same category, like attributing the Syrian uprising to "western influence".
What never fails to amuse me is how those who claim our countries are not democratic enough are so quick to support confirmed dictators, like Assad.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/brea...ey/2013/06/19/

http://www.debka.com/search/?search_...rkish+officers

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8701OK20120801

[Myth]

I feel like I am reading /pol/ here.

Aspartame isn't bad for you btw. It's one of the most researched compounds ever created, and recent research has shown the scary 1970s tests to be methodologically flawed and/or not applicable to humans.

http://dorway.com/aspartame-the-bad-...rtame-studies/

See some differences between industry funded and independent research?

[Fisherking]

There is very little in the way of scientific research studies less credible than American research studies. Most have a conclusion before they have the data.

Aspartame has been a politicized item since it was first approved. I think Donald Rumsfeld was head of FDA at the time, shortly after leaving Searle & Co. the inventor of NutraSweet.

[ReluctantSamurai]

"The government" is a huge entity with many different organizations and interests, the motives and actions of some corrupt bureaucrats do not represent the motives of the government as a whole. I don't believe it would be too much of a stretch to assume that there are some people within the FDA who actually do care about food health and safety.

I certainly did not mean to insinuate that the US government "as a whole" was negligent. And yes, there undoubtedly are people at the FDA who are concerned with protecting consumers from faulty products. However, it is often the case that the motives and actions of "some corrupt bureaucrats" go unpunished or the offenders even identified.

To continue with the faulty product example....public outcry eventually brings an investigation when enough people get sick or die; then a massive congressional investigation begins; the product is finally pulled from the market; the inevitable lawsuits begin and perhaps lead to substantial settlements (though probably not as much as the company made marketing the product); the faulty product is then shipped overseas to third world countries; and eventually the whole process starts all over again. Net result? Some people get very sick or die, the pharmaceutical at fault gets a slap on the wrist, has to pay a bunch of money to quiet things down, and nothing is done to actually fix the way the system works in the first place.

It's criminal, and it's murder in my book....but not necessarily a conspiracy

[Montmorency]

Most have a conclusion before they have the data.

Pretty much sums up the conspiracy theorist, to harp.

Does anyone do mole people any longer? Not glamorous enough?

[Fisherking]

What an open mind you have. Not

Mathematics was once an occult science too, viewed as the work of the devil. I guess it still would be if everyone was as open to new way of looking at things.

I suppose there is no government corruption and they only work for the good of the common man.

Do lobbyists conspire with elected officials to pass laws benefiting themselves to the detriment of the people or other firms?

Do regulatory agencies conspire with those they are to regulate?

Have industries conspired to set prices on goods?

It does not have to have a world spanning scope to be a conspiracy.

It does not have to involve UFOs or Bigfoot, Maybe you are one of the Mole people. Put your head in the dirt and think all is well, I don’t see a thing.

So, do government agencies ever conspire to keep knowledge from the people, or punish those who blow the whistle on their shady activities?

[Montmorency]

What an open mind you have. Not

You believe your mind is open. Why? Because you believe things most do not?

Mathematics was once an occult science too, viewed as the work of the devil.

Whut. Laughable.

I guess it still would be if everyone was as open to new way of looking at things.

Mathematics is associated with civilization from its very outset, because mathematics is necessary for civilization. Mathematics produced results in ancient societies.

All that can not be compared to some sort of inchoate and incoherent paranoia.

I suppose there is no government corruption and they only work for the good of the common man.

Do lobbyists conspire with elected officials to pass laws benefiting themselves to the detriment of the people or other firms?

Do regulatory agencies conspire with those they are to regulate?

Have industries conspired to set prices on goods?

It does not have to have a world spanning scope to be a conspiracy.

What does that have to do with the Jewish-Illuminati lizard-alien New World Order? Let's not equivocate or resort to strawmen; you well know what sort of "conspiracy theory" is being mocked here.

We've stablished that by this point.

But seriously, that math-thing was a real error on your part. You'll be torn apart by Horetore for it.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Because ideas are often labelled as "conspiracy theories" to discredit them, I think there is a bit of confusion as to why exactly falls under that banner.

Take for example Lemur's chart, which seems to label global warming as a conspiracy theory. EDIT: Global warming denial that is, silly me.

By conspiracy theory, do we man a wacky and highly improbable fringe theory? Or do we take the term more at face value - a conspiracy to a particular end between two or more parties?

The former covers mostly silly notions, but the latter is a fact of life, one of the most basic interactions between individuals or institutions.

[Montmorency]

Take for example Lemur's chart, which seems to label global warming as a conspiracy theory.

Global warming denial as a conspiracy theory. E.g. Frags

[Rhyfelwyr]

Global warming denial as a conspiracy theory. E.g. Frags

Ah, well now I look stupid.

Still, to run with that example... I don't think you are necessarily indulging in conspiracy theories if you deny global warming. Or, at least (as I think is implied), man-made global warming.

Sure, if people deny it because they think it is a scare tactic to raise taxes, or that scientists are forced to advocate it, then that is a conspiracy theory. But if you question the science, that's different.

That's why I think we are lumping too many things under the same banner - questioning the science of man-made global warming is nothing like reptilian or ancient astronaut theories. At least the former offers evidence that can be challenged, whereas the wackier theories can't be debunked - maybe that would be a good dividing line for where we enter the realm of 'conspiracy theories' (if we are going to use the term with all it's negative connotations, rather than its plain meaning).

[Myth]

This is pointless, as some have pointed out in PMs. No one even bothered reading and comprehending my first post, nor did they watch the videos I posted. I specifically said I wanted to talk politics and economics, and stray away from the occult side of conspiracy theories. Posters said Syria is a product of it's own making and that no one is conspiring to release harmful products for general consumption in the US of A. I gave links, they talked about reptillians and jews and patted each other on the backs because it feels so good to have others agree with you and jump the bandwagon. I really wanted to talk facts but you know what - it doesn't happen with some of the posters here.

[Montmorency]

Well, OK, let's invest some time into creating a typology of conspiracy theories suited to this thread.

1. Just the most literal and general meaning of a plan agreed upon by two or more parties. Can include anything from a lunch meeting between two colleagues to cartelization, insider trading, or high-level governmental corruption.

2. a. Theories that propose grand, sweeping 'hidden' intentional forces behind the majority of human events (e.g. state actions and international relations). This includes theories that propose the existence of a One World Government, a New World Order, alien origins behind human civilization and/or humanity itself, active alien or non-human overlords, Jewish bankers, Illuminati, all the good stuff.

b. Theories that propose that some or many or most phenomena perceived to be real can be explained as malicious totalitarian efforts by particular governments or corporations to weaken the freedom, will, independence, and so on, of their citizens/consumers in order to better control/profit from them. This includes chemtrails, fluoride, vaccines, 9/11, secret cancer/AIDS cures, mental illness/pharmaceuticals, faked moon landings, and so on.

c. Theories that propose that some set of individuals or organizations is out to get you specifically. For instance, that one theory that the US government directs agents to pass by targeted individuals in vehicles of a certain color merely in order to provoke or infuriate the individual somehow.

The categories of #2 may be counted as supervenient in order, I suppose.

That should do as a provisional typology; I think I've sketched some outlines, at least.

I notice that the pattern of #2 seems to be an extremely strong emphasis on control, intentionality, and egoism. But maybe that's tautological. What do you see?

I'll just note here that subscribers to one conspiracy theory often think that those who hold other conspiracy theories are nuts, especially if the two theories seem incompatible somehow.

[HoreTore]

When your third sentence in a post is a claim that Bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11, we are going to put you in the loonie bin.

I, and I suspect(and hope) many others here as well, do not wish to discuss ideas with people who proclaim such despicable, insulting and vile views.

If this board ever accepts holocaust deniars, 9/11 truthers or other people in that category, I'm certainly gone for good. I believe, and hope, that a large number of others will also leave at that point.

Seriously, yours is an incredibly offensive and idiotic statement.

[lars573]

This is pointless, as some have pointed out in PMs. No one even bothered reading and comprehending my first post, nor did they watch the videos I posted. I specifically said I wanted to talk politics and economics, and stray away from the occult side of conspiracy theories. Posters said Syria is a product of it's own making and that no one is conspiring to release harmful products for general consumption in the US of A. I gave links, they talked about reptillians and jews and patted each other on the backs because it feels so good to have others agree with you and jump the bandwagon. I really wanted to talk facts but you know what - it doesn't happen with some of the posters here.

Or maybe someone read your post. And understood. Then came to the logical conclusion you believe crazy horse shit. Two steps removed from the bat-shit insane reptilians/Jews/NWO/Aliens/Illuminati crap. That you patently ignore a plain and simple truism of the world, never assume malice when incompetence will do. And everything you've brought up as conspiracy theory (IE malice) can be easily explained as incompetence. Oh and greed of individuals leads to the incompetence of organizations.

I think you need to watch and understand this:

We all like to think we're Dent/the mod/Gordon, but really we're all the Joker.

[The Lurker Below]

I did not click on the Thrive movie link from the op until today. Subliminal thought implanted earlier (probably by any of several information agencies) caused me to equate the main character to the character played by Philip Seymour Hoffman in The Master. The same outside subliminal controls obviously caused me to not see The Master prior to this Tuesday past. I wish I had time to view the movie for more than 10 minutes, but I'm at work was taking a break during plan period.

I should make no comments regarding the possible gullibility or the heinous, guilty, corrupt, close-mindedness of others posting here.

[Fisherking]

@ Lurker, you may be the first to actually click the link. No one is asking anyone to change their minds or beliefs.

@ Montmorency


I didn’t know you could not read, very sorry.

You show more and more ignorance with each post.

You rant about thing I didn’t say invent things from whole cloth and assume you know things you obviously do not.

Do some more research before you run off at the mouth.

I have been trying to discuss what may be the real basis behind the theories and why people get the idea they are more than they seem. You know, misconceptions. Obviously you have a misconception about the whole thread.

You on the other hand don’t seem able to make an intellectual examination but use ridicule as your only tool.

[Montmorency]

I have been trying to discuss what may be the real basis behind the theories

Which theories? If they're from Category #2 over there, which by all indication they are, I'm afraid there's nothing to discuss.

[Fisherking]

I don’t know what Category #2 is. If it refers to the chart, that is just another distraction, and ridicule.

Much of what conspiracy theorist point out have a basis in truth, which most people ignore once the theorist point out who they believe is behind the curtain.

Other supposed conspiracies are true to a point but reach conclusions that are more a leap of faith than rooted in hard data.

Handling Conspiracy Theories with ridicule is a huge disservice to everyone, because ridicule has not data, is not rooted in fact and is the real straw man of the argument.

People who set out using ridicule only reinforce the idea that the truth of a conspiracy needs to be hidden from the public and that those doing the ridiculing are either themselves a part of the conspiracy or a dupe who knows nothing besides what his masters have told him.

If any of this is going to be unraveled it has to be done using thought and reason but approached with an open mind.

[Myth]

When your third sentence in a post is a claim that Bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11, we are going to put you in the loonie bin.

I, and I suspect(and hope) many others here as well, do not wish to discuss ideas with people who proclaim such despicable, insulting and vile views.

If this board ever accepts holocaust deniars, 9/11 truthers or other people in that category, I'm certainly gone for good. I believe, and hope, that a large number of others will also leave at that point.

Seriously, yours is an incredibly offensive and idiotic statement.

75% of the US population is not convinced that Bin Laden did it. But I suppose you know better. You didn't click a single link, did you?

@ Lurker, you may be the first to actually click the link. No one is asking anyone to change their minds or beliefs.

I clicked it and am watching it in inceremental steps of about 30 minutes per session. Will comment on it once I finish it.

[HoreTore]

75% of the US population is not convinced that Bin Laden did it. But I suppose you know better. You didn't click a single link, did you?

Then that's a sign 75% of the US population are idiots, nothing else.

Bin Laden was behind it, the US government/dem jooos/CIA/whatever was not. Claiming otherwise is a despicable statement I hope we'll never bother with on this board, just like I hope we'll never have someone here openly promoting holocaust denial.

It's a slap in the face of human intelligence, and an insult to every victim. Go away.

[Myth]

I'm not going away from a thread where I was invited to participate via PM. You on the other hand are free to abscond and treat that slap before it turns purple.

[HoreTore]

I'm not going away from a thread where I was invited to participate via PM. You on the other hand are free to abscond and treat that slap before it turns purple.

Evil deserves ridicule, and I'm quite happy to continue doing so.

[Montmorency]

If any of this is going to be unraveled it has to be done using thought and reason but approached with an open mind.

I am not ridiculing - merely pointing out that this is a self-serving illusion.

[Strike For The South]

This place used to have meaningful disscussion

The only meaningful point that has come out of this melodramatic circle jerk is that Hore Tore is a pompous ass

[HoreTore]

This place used to have meaningful disscussion

The only meaningful point that has come out of this melodramatic circle jerk is that Hore Tore is a pompous ass

I don't care what some poor guy without an oil fund has to say.

[Strike For The South]

Repost this if ur a proud strong nordic country who dont need no euro

[drone]

I have actually learned an important fact from this thread: the octosquids are running the whole show. The Illuminati/Bankers/NWO/Jews/Big Pharma make all the noise, no one notices the true masters. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[Myth]

Then that's a sign 75% of the US population are idiots, nothing else.

Bin Laden was behind it, the US government/dem jooos/CIA/whatever was not. Claiming otherwise is a despicable statement I hope we'll never bother with on this board, just like I hope we'll never have someone here openly promoting holocaust denial.

It's a slap in the face of human intelligence, and an insult to every victim. Go away.

From this I learned that:

1. You think yourself smarter than at least 237 417 750 people (actually much more because a lot more people don't beleive the official 9/11 story)
2. You can't be bothered to chech the other side's proof or sources
3. You provide none of your own
4. You argue using logical fallacies an intentionally linking them up to fabricate the other side as "EVIL"

Denying the holocaust means one says that those 6+ million people did not actually die and that someone is lying about it. Doubting the officiaL 9/11 story means that you DO acknowledge the death of all those people (and I personally am sorry for them) but you do not beleive the information about who actually did it and why. There is a difference but you obviously choose to act like a maiden who's butt has been pinched rather than start actually talking sense.

I still see no reply for the links showing that Syria was prepared well in avance or that Aspartame is definitely 100% proven to be safe.

[HoreTore]

As I have said, I am not willing to contribute to this forum being a place where despicable ideas like US involvement in 9/11 is discussed, and so you will not see any arguments at all from me on that subject. Ever. Not on any other subject either, as I see no reason to discuss with the likes of you.

I will, however, work as hard as I can to ridicule, belittle, harass and laugh at you, until you either leave or get a brain.

[Myth]

Pfft your pathetic attempts shall achieve nothing, as your opinion has no value for me.