Windstorm in Europe

[Fragony]

provided for some very nice tv footage.




and a possible new "largest wave ever surfed" world record.

Awesome, that are some serious waves

[Fragony]

Yikes, now THAT is a storm, 10.000 dead in the Philipines. Isn't our MRD there or did I understand that wrong

[Husar]

He is and he seems to be okay, wasn't in the eye of the storm but saved all the cute girls from his neighborhood as far as I can tell.

[Fragony]

Geez that's generous, two milion from the Neds, 3 million from the EU, 450.000 from the US.

Can they at least get some candy with that.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Geez that's generous, two milion from the Neds, 3 million from the EU, 450.000 from the US.

Can they at least get some candy with that.

What are you talking about?

[Beskar]

What are you talking about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24901993

Typhoon Haiyan

[Fragony]

What are you talking about?

About the 10.000 dead in the Philipines perhaps? Been following the news lately? It's probably much worse they just started counting.

[Fragony]

Here in America we have our own recurring natural disasters to worry about. I'm surprised we give money at all--if it was up to popular vote I'm sure we wouldn't.

Popular support, aka as private donations got Indonesia 160 million at the time from here when they got slapped by a tsunami. If the Dutch citizens can raise that than 2 million is a bit of a joke considering the circumstances.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

About the 10.000 dead in the Philipines perhaps? Been following the news lately? It's probably much worse they just started counting.

I was aware of that, and have already said Hail Marys for them. I was referring to the numbers post you had made.

[Papewaio]

Australia donated $400k of emergency supplies. Which seems small. It is apparently only the immediate portion of the $10M of the first set with commitment to add aid where required.

So often the first response by a country is what they have on tap to give right away. With the assessments still incoming and another storm too, I believe that the help will increase.

[HoreTore]

Unless you're capable of donating a working airport, I fail to see what giving more money RIGHT NOW!!!!1111 will accomplish.

No use donating a ton of clean water if none of it can be shipped to those in need, eh?

[Beskar]

No use donating a ton of clean water if none of it can be shipped to those in need, eh?

Ships are handy in shipping exercises.

[HoreTore]

Ships are handy in shipping exercises.

Ships needs harbors.

Care to donate one of those as well?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

USN on the way with portable airfield and helicopters.

[Fragony]

USN on the way with portable airfield and helicopters.

Good lads, chapeau

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Good lads, chapeau

It is who we are; we could do no other.

[Fragony]

It is who we are; we could do no other.

And bless you for that. Having that ship there is going to make giving water, food and medicines a whole lot easier, saves thousands of lives. Hello France and England, you also have these things, got anything better to do? Kudo's to the Americans, you guys are awesome.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And bless you for that. Having that ship there is going to make giving water, food and medicines a whole lot easier, saves thousands of lives. Hello France and England, you also have these things, got anything better to do? Kudo's to the Americans, you guys are awesome.

Frags, while -- aside from our own (sadly absent) Louis -- I am hardly a Francophile, it is only fair to note that the French and British flat tops are deployed a bit distant from the scene. China, Thailand, Korea, and Japan (sadly experienced in this work) are the others with carriers in reasonable proximity. The Ozzies won't have theirs fully operational for a bit yet.

[Fragony]

I didn't know the Ozzies had them. It should be a requirement to have at least one operational one to be a Nato member imho.

[Papewaio]

I didn't know the Ozzies had them. It should be a requirement to have at least one operational one to be a Nato member imho.

1) Aircraft carriers are expensive to operate and if you want to help with humanitarian efforts it ain't the only way. The nuclear reactors on board the US ships are very useful for power and would help with making a mobile desalination plant.

2) NATO stands for two things neither of which sum up Australia's position in this.

3) Having said that Australia has a bad history with operating aircraft carriers.

"HMAS Melbourne (R21) was a Majestic-class light aircraft carrier of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN). Operating from 1955 until 1982, she was the third and final conventional aircraft carrier(I) to serve in the RAN. Melbourne was the only British Commonwealth naval vessel to sink two friendly warships in peacetime collisions.[4]" -Wikipedia

[Seamus Fermanagh]

1) Aircraft carriers are expensive to operate and if you want to help with humanitarian efforts it ain't the only way. The nuclear reactors on board the US ships are very useful for power and would help with making a mobile desalination plant.

2) NATO stands for two things neither of which sum up Australia's position in this.

3) Having said that Australia has a bad history with operating aircraft carriers.

"HMAS Melbourne (R21) was a Majestic-class light aircraft carrier of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN). Operating from 1955 until 1982, she was the third and final conventional aircraft carrier(I) to serve in the RAN. Melbourne was the only British Commonwealth naval vessel to sink two friendly warships in peacetime collisions.[4]" -Wikipedia

Apparently the Spanish-based design is well thought of and, I hope, she won't be a hard luck ship like the Melbourne.

CVN's can not only power desalination facilities on shore, but carry substantial capability for same on board. I've heard it said that the crews often cut down their own water usage and skip showers to help out more locals when pulling these missions too. It can make a difference.


Edit: Btw, I think Frags was using NATO in its unofficial "first world developed nation" label rather than its official title. Oz was part of SEATO and not NATO, of course. Your lot were some of the few who fought with us in Vietnam as well -- you don't usually get the credit deserved for that support. Too much of the good that was done by our friends was forgotten in our mental efforts to put that "unpleasantness" behind us.

[Husar]

We should have at least 20 IMHO.
That way we wouldn't need to buy the rest of Europe...

[drone]

CVN's can not only power desalination facilities on shore, but carry substantial capability for same on board. I've heard it said that the crews often cut down their own water usage and skip showers to help out more locals when pulling these missions too. It can make a difference.

The George Washington is the one on it's way, alone it can desalinate 400K gallons of water a day. I think there is also an LHA in the area that is donating choppers for supplies and transport.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The George Washington is the one on it's way, alone it can desalinate 400K gallons of water a day. I think there is also an LHA in the area that is donating choppers for supplies and transport.

And, apparently a USNS supply ship with needful stuff. Given the scale of this one, I suspect we will see more USN deployed there along with the amphibs for mobility.

[Fragony]

Ah, who would have thought, the church of Global Warming sees an opertunity. Shame on you for using this tragedy for your own agenda, I sincerily wish you get a traffic-jam in your aorta for being so opertunistic, Philipines have hurricanes every year, completily normal, this one was really bad yeah. Can I see some correlation please. Ah right, that settles it.

Shameless.

Send an aircraft carrier with chinooks instead. THAT helps.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ah, who would have thought, the church of Global Warming sees an opertunity. Shame on you for using this tragedy for your own agenda, I sincerily wish you get a traffic-jam in your aorta for being so opertunistic, Philipines have hurricanes every year, completily normal, this one was really bad yeah. Can I see some correlation please. Ah right, that settles it.

Shameless.

Send an aircraft carrier with chinooks instead. THAT helps.

Frags:

Global warming is the reason we have had stronger storms of recent years with somewhat more frequency than before. While the warming has plateaued over the last 10-15 years, it is still a degree or two higher than a century or so back. Makes for warmer water and bigger storms.

I am not so sure about the anthropogenic character of the current warm cycle, nor am I sure that drastically curtailing CO2 emission is the proper response even if we take that anthropogenic character as a fact, but trying to suggest that we aren't in a warmer period is not the direction to go.

[Fragony]

Frags:

Global warming is the reason we have had stronger storms of recent years with somewhat more frequency than before. While the warming has plateaued over the last 10-15 years, it is still a degree or two higher than a century or so back. Makes for warmer water and bigger storms.

I am not so sure about the anthropogenic character of the current warm cycle, nor am I sure that drastically curtailing CO2 emission is the proper response even if we take that anthropogenic character as a fact, but trying to suggest that we aren't in a warmer period is not the direction to go.

0.2 degrees celcius in a hundred years. Of course there is climate change, there always have been. To try to push agendas with this isn't just a little bit tasteless, it's so incridibly shameless that I wonder how they can sleep.

[Fragony]

Oh the stingie Dutch, almost 4 million euro has been donated by now six hours after the fund opened, all private donations. That is already a million more than the entire EU had to spare. Kudo's. Have yet to wire mine, can't at the moment but will.

[Beskar]

0.2 degrees celcius in a hundred years. Of course there is climate change, there always have been. To try to push agendas with this isn't just a little bit tasteless, it's so incridibly shameless that I wonder how they can sleep.

On the flipside, they would argue that they want to make the world a better place, with not having an increase in the number and intensity of storms and further tragedies.They would most likely argue: "How do you sleep at night, working to continue this blight to cause more suffering in the future?".

So I am just saying, the way you say about how you have no trouble, they don't have any trouble either.

[Fragony]

On the flipside, they would argue that they want to make the world a better place, with not having an increase in the number and intensity of storms and further tragedies.They would most likely argue: "How do you sleep at night, working to continue this blight to cause more suffering in the future?".

That would be incredibly easy, as the blight simply doesn't exists. It's just the way of things, nothing more. Climate just has the habbit of changing, you can count these changes back to millenia if you want to and lash out at Rolex for lacking the clockwork accuracy earth has.

http://www.notundertaxed.com/2007/05/10/

What causes it is pretty damn easy to me, planetary allignment.