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Just to extend the comparison, does this mean Russian forces will shortly be routed and the Kremlin burned? The Russians will eventually make up a song after a consolation victory at St Petersburg, hours after a ceasefire was agreed.Originally Posted by rvg
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Bah.
"Right" and "wrong" are irrelevant terms in the world of power politics.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
You know, Serbia isn't that far from Ukraine. Who's to say you're not on Putin's hit list?
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Yes, and it's not just western leaders, it's also the public and the press, at least partially.
Merkel is also known as the Teflon lady because she always manages to blame others for her mistakes. She appoints all the wrong ministers and it's never her fault, there was even a joke statistic about how long people stay in office on average after she expressed her "full trust" in them: http://saschalobo.com/2013/02/11/ang...papst-edition/
She also loves to repeat the same empty phrases such as "We have to find a common solution...".
And do I really have to explain why Bush saying Putin is living in a different world is hilarious?
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Well, can anyone here deny having felt this way on the Org at some point?'he is not very well informed' and arguing with him is like 'arguing with an eight year old'.
It's a matter of strongly-contrasting frameworks.
But we're not as different as we think, ultimately...
Anyway, didn't Bush also throw a fit in front of Putin over Caucasian politics at the 2008 Olympics?
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Rule number 1. We do not want war until the day wars will be fought between politicians themselves.
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Merkel is doing it wrong anyway, if she wants to get through to Putin she should call Gerhard Schröder, he's always been a good friend of Putin. I wonder whether he still works for that russian gas company. Either way I do not believe that Putin has lost it, he probably has a plan and so far it seems to work rather well.
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According to BBC, Russian Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces at Crimea deadline until 03:00 GMT,Tuesday, march 4th to surrender or face all out assault..
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Actually it is quite far, but that doesn't matter. We're landlocked and surrounded with NATO bases. In your face, Putin! Not to mention that mighty Bulgarian Khans, our century old allies (minus a war here and there, and again here and there, and another one here... and few smaller skirmishes... some insults... footy trashings...) will defend us from the Bear. There still are fierce steppe horseman genes in them and you know what fierce steppe horsemen did to Russia? In winter?
Oh, man, I hate boxing, but I'd sell my car to see a Putin-Obama match, with Merkel holding up the round number (but NOT in a Bikini).Rule number 1. We do not want war until the day wars will be fought between politicians themselves.
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They were given same kind of ultimatums before. It's intimidation. The important part is that it came from the Black Sea Fleet and hasn't been confirmed by anyone in Moscow who's actually authorized to order something like that.
We should start worrying when Putin says that.
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Lets just hope it wont be confirmed by Russian political leadership.
EDIT: Russia is now denying that any official ultimatum have been given. Little bit earlier Russia has called for an meeting of UN security council for this night. Sounds like good news.
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
I suppose Myth has more reasons to worry than you do. But you're next, right after Bulgaria gets subjugated.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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To be attacked you have to have something worth conquering. Nowadays, we can't even get the Germans, the traditional Balkan invaders, interested. We tried, pleading, crying, begging but the Germans were adamant - NEIN! No invasion for you, Balkanische Schweine. Back in the day, they'd do it for a sausage.
So, what is in the rest of the world incorrectly seen as mismanagement of the country and rampant corruption is actually a genius master plan by our politicians. Destroy anything of value and you're safe from invasion.
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Not a problem. If Russia considers Crimea important enough to conquer, then Serbia is definitely worth it. Heck, they put so much effort into maintaining Black Sea fleet, it's ridiculous.
Oh look, we're the masters of this puddle, the lords of this bottle! The Turks hold the cork to the bottle, but that's okay, in the meantime we can project our might at Romania and Bulgaria.
Waste of money, if you ask me, but good for posturing.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Apparently you are wrong about where Putin is looking for next. According to The Telegraph UK, Putin has been last seen checking out Russian tanks and artillery near Viborg at Karelian Isthmus, near the Finnish- Russian border just moments a go....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...aine-live.html
Last edited by Kagemusha; 03-03-2014 at 17:41.
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
That just proves my point: Russia will take anything that isn't nailed down. The value of what they're taking in unimportant.Apparently you are wrong about where Putin is looking for next. According to The Telegraph UK, Putin has been last seen checking out Russian tanks and artillery near Viborg at Karelian Isthmus, near the Finnish- Russian border just moments a go....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...aine-live.html
P.S. Join NATO. Now. If you know what's good for you.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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I have shared your opinion concerning NATO as long as i can remember. If only the majority of my countrymen would share that feeling..
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Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Whole grain, non-saturated fats, sugar-free drinks and lots of excercise. What's that got to do with NATO?
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You get to do all that as a free man.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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You do realize that diet could have life threatening effects to a Finn, when our normal diet consists of Vodka and beer and basic exercise method is brawling in front of late night food stands.
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It is the taking of it which has value.
"Put 'em in blue coats, put 'em in red coats, the bastards will run all the same!"
"The English are a strange people....They came here in the morning, looked at the wall, walked over it, killed the garrison and returned to breakfast. What can withstand them?"
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So Crimea is a cunning ruse so Putins real plan of liberating Nokia from the fiendish clutches of Windoze can go off without a hitch.
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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Nokia still exist...?So Crimea is a cunning ruse so Putins real plan of liberating Nokia from the fiendish clutches of Windoze can go off without a hitch.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
If its good enough for Colonialism it is good enough for Nokia.
Being an out of date anachronism in a modern world they is...
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
The soundtrack of the film would certainly be interesting. Is it possible to do an epic, military version of the Nokia theme?So Crimea is a cunning ruse so Putins real plan of liberating Nokia from the fiendish clutches of Windoze can go off without a hitch.
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You think Putin regrets spending money on the Black Sea fleet? An interesting notion.
I for one believe he is more like "We have a fleet here, you don't".
Try getting carrier groups through the bottleneck when you don't control the air.
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Rule number one is to conquer russia start from the east.
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Rule number two: Not too far east.
Re: What can "The West" do if Russia expands?
Russia abandoning Sevastopol is as likely as the USA abandoning Hawaii.
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