View Poll Results: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union Defense Command?

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  • NATO should be folded in favor of a Unified European Defense Command

    8 33.33%
  • NATO should be folded, but no unified European comand is requied

    6 25.00%
  • NATO should be maintained as is.

    3 12.50%
  • NATO should be expanded to include all of NA and Europe.

    7 29.17%
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    That would be a lot of garrisons in the country.. or we could have an EU one, and we export/import eachothers soldiers into our respective countries for the same reasons you just stated.
    Well, for one thing that wouldn't include the US - and it's important to generate US outrage early when Russia starts it's invasion. That's why you need US troops on the borders, not lots, but enough that Russia has to attack them in the first instance.

    Also, you can't just "export/import" units, you have to embed them. Any meaningful deployment would need to be measured in years, preferably a couple of decades before the unit is rotated out. There are places in Germany (or were) British soldiers don't want to see bombed, specific curry houses, or strip clubs, or brothels. That sort of thing.

    It's about building a long-term attachment to another place, not integrating us into one European nation - in fact that would currently run counter to any effort to defend against Russian aggression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    NATO should be disbanded.” Agree. NATO being a USA tools, I don’t see why Europeans should foot the bills and sent troops to reinforced USA expansion war(s) in Afghanistan, Iraq or others. If the US is happy to send young men and women dying to protect or expend their market, fine. Why we should finance it or contribute to as it serves no purpose in European Countries point of view?
    If European Countries needs defence there are enough Military Factories, knowledge and experience in this side of the pound, and just leave the USA deal with their Military-Industrial Complex. Following the USA left European countries believing in “Missile Shield” and “Special Forces” things when we need tanks, air-planes, boats, submarines, aircraft carriers with planes on it and boots.
    Europe can't match the Russian military muscle, or access to raw materials, and we need to OVEWRMATCH them in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
    I'm not an isolationist. I'm the exact opposite of that. Why do you think I'm an isolationist?
    I must be thinking of someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Pretty much what Brenus said. The German army is being sized down to turn it into some small airmobile force that can be used all around the world to pretend that we're important because we can support conflicts like Afghanistan better because due to this one single conflict everybody thought it would be the only kind of conflict we get from now on. Turns out we may have to defend our Russian friends from US-led aggression instead and a light airmobile force won't do in that scenario.
    You mean the Russian friends under Putin Facist boot?

    I thought the Germans had got that message about Facism, but you seem to have missed the memo. It's a bad thing, Husar.

    During the cold war perhaps, now you stress our budgets by begging us to support your adventures to secure your oil empire.
    Afghanistan was revenge and Iraq was for daddy.

    Aside from GWB - who was the last US president to use NATO to draw Germany into a ground war?

    Oh - and your military need reforming, your soldiers are starting to get fat and sedentary, although to be fair that took six decades longer than it would have taken any other nation with the exception of the Swiss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    So this is how it ends. Cow-towing to German bureaucrats and Russian thugs.

    I say we take the English speaking countries and go home, it's clear the continent has thrown their lot in with Fascism & tyranny.

    The boot of oppression will soon come down while all of you clamor about the hypocrisy of the USA. The yoke of subjugation will be placed around another generation of Slavs. The bully who was never really stopped will grow bolder
    Quite so - the US is far from awesome, but Putin is a Tyrant and he needs to be checked for everybody's sake, especially Russia's
    "If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."

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