responding to common objections to bible part 7

[total relism]

“you no longer defend isreal copying in 6th century bc it seems” Err, I never gave a date as it is, first, irrelevant, and, second, I have no indication of when the Jewish Script(s) decided to incorporate the Sumerian Myth in the Bible.

“There are civilizations around today that dont have technology of USA or europe, yet are older.” True, but irrelevant. If theses civilisations want to reach the level of Europe or USA, they will have to learn and developed the same skills. So, they will still have to learn the several technologies to make possible the development of a new technology.

“absence of evidence is not evidence against.” Nice try. Do try this in a Court of Justice. I have no evidence you kill your neighbour, doesn’t prove you didn’t kill him/her. In our case, even if the neighbour is still alive.

well since you seem unaware of your own claim [not a surprise given you never read accounts] i shall enlighten you.

The whole Gilgamesh-derivation theory is based on the discredited Documentary Hypothesis. This assumes that the Pentateuch was compiled by priests during the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BC. But the internal evidence shows no sign of this, and every sign of being written for people who had just come out of Egypt. The Eurocentric inventors of the Documentary Hypothesis, such as Julius Wellhausen, thought that writing hadn’t been invented by Moses’ time. But many archaeological discoveries of ancient writing show that this is ludicrous..


so if not than when did they copy from them? jews copied a story from enemies at a time they were separate because?


civilizations
missed whole point, when is what is important,age, you own statement proves what i said to be true. That technology does not equal perfect age.


“absence of evidence is not evidence against
that is why i said in archaeology.

All early civilizations arose around a river. They were based on the annual flooding, but a larger-than-normal flooding would spell doom.

It's no surprise that you'll find myths concerning a giant flood in each of these civilizations. It was the ultimate fear of these civilizations.



Nonsense. Again, don't play with fallacies until you're older, son. Ad hominem is concerned with an argument. More specifically, it is when someone tries to disquise an attack upon a person as an argument against their case.

Pannonian made a remark on your person which he did not try to disguise as an argument against your case. Thus, this is not an example of an ad hominem argument.

Anyway, you wrote in your OP:



I have attempted to debate this point, but you refused to comment on the contradictory statements of Matthew and Luke concerning the date of Jesus' birth. So, I'll try another:

The exodus is a made up story. The Jewish people were never held in captivity in Egypt. The story is not found anywhere else than in the bible, and the Egyptians were very keen on recording their history. There is no mention of hardships for Egypt in the time the plagues supposedly took place, nor is there a reference to an army being lost. There is no archeological evidence of any Jewish presence in Egypt, and there's a wealth of evidence saying the Jews were in palestine the entire time. The places the jews supposedly stayed at during their 40 years in the desert did not exist until centuries later than when it supposedly took place. The bible, usually extremely anal about naming people, does not name the chief antagonist of the story, the Pharaoh.

In conclusion, the story was made up at a later date to justify jewish dominance over palestine. It is a political, not a historical, story.

coming from someone who has committed many logical fallacies [53] than claim i committed a strawman [64] warned me to wait till i was older to use logical fallacies. Only to than admit you were wrong and i did not commit it [80] claimed another logical fallacies goalpost [74,refuted 80, showed you dont read post b-4 commenting] than commited one more on 114 that i did not even feel needed responding to.



ad hominem
while i agree with what you said, if you read post 159 [this seems common you always miss what starts discussion and come to wrong conclusion]. he was using the personal attack [spelling grammar] as a response to what i had sed in argument against brenus i believe that he quoted.



I have attempted to debate this point, but you refused to comment on the contradictory statements of Matthew and Luke concerning the date of Jesus' birth. So, I'll try another:


This is a contradiction claim,not archaeological claim.


The exodus is a made up story.The exodus is a made up story. The Jewish people were never held in captivity in Egypt. The story is not found anywhere else than in the bible, and the Egyptians were very keen on recording their history. There is no mention of hardships for Egypt in the time the plagues supposedly took place, nor is there a reference to an army being lost. There is no archeological evidence of any Jewish presence in Egypt, and there's a wealth of evidence saying the Jews were in palestine the entire time. The places the jews supposedly stayed at during their 40 years in the desert did not exist until centuries later than when it supposedly took place. The bible, usually extremely anal about naming people, does not name the chief antagonist of the story, the Pharaoh.In conclusion, the story was made up at a later date to justify jewish dominance over palestine. It is a political, not a historical, story.




I agree 100% with you actually. That is because you follow the traditional timeline current held by most, if true i agree than that would make your whole point good and valid. If the traditional timeline [that is unknown by created and built on assumptions and has horrible problems etc] than the time of the exodus is wrong. I am busy now to get into details i will leave you some references to look over at moment. I believe once the current chronology is changed by 150 or maybe 350 years [it has been awhile] the evidence for the exodus goes from zero to amazing. More and more secular archaeologist and universities are teaching the reduced chronologies such as Cambridge and others.



Egyptian dating

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Egyptian dating

the Egyptian dating is always being lowered to a earlier date.
It cannot match up with other countries writing with its current extended date

-the Egyptians did not record history they get it from temple walls
-there are 5 kings list which contradict each other and all have gaps as well
-manethos king list is not chronological, there are many at same time overlapping, it was several kings reining at the same time In different regions. He assumed the pharoes reigns were consecutive coming to a extended chronology. But some of these kings were ruling at the same time but different kingdoms. The upper,middle and lower kingdom, sometimes fathers and sons reigned together for long periods of time.
-A few recent books have been written challenging current accepted date to shorten Egyptian dates.
-Cambridge is now teaching reduced age and other scholars are as well
-link below shows many problems with Egyptian chronology and why it needs to be shortened
-many countries match up, but than differ with Egypt current extended age
unmasking the pharoahs david down 2006



Also there kings list is not very accurate it has problems with matching other country's writings, also the bibles kings list names kings places and dates through there whole list so which should we listen to?

England's top archaeologist professor Colin renfew of Cambridge supports the reduced chronology of Egypt and in his book centuries of darkness said “That a chronological revolution is on its way”
http://www.amazon.com/Centuries-Dark...y/dp/HYPERLINK
josh mcdowell kings list ot reliability video free online video on reliability of bibles kings list
http://www.josh.org/site/c.ddKDIMNtEqG/b.HYPERLINK "http://www.josh.org/site/c.ddKDIMNtEqG/b.4172663/k.624E/Can_I_Trust_the_Bible.htm"4172663HYPERLINK



LOWERING THE DATESThe very earliest Egyptian date would be the one assigned to the beginning of its first dynasty. Menes was the first king. Cerem, in his Gods, Graves, and Scholars, tells us that the date assigned to that earliest Egyptian event, as estimated by several scholars, has gradually lowered with the passing of time: Champollian - 5867 B.C. / Lesueur -5770 B.C. / Bokh - 5702 B.C. / Unger - 5613 B.C. / Mariette - 5004 B.C. / Brugsch - 4455 B.C. / Lauth - 4157 B.C. / Chabas - 4000 B.C. / Lapsius - 3890 B.C. / Bunsen - 3623 B.C. / Breasted - 3400 B.C. / George Steindorff - 3200 B.C. / Eduard Meyer - 3180 B.C. / Wilkinson -2320 B.C. / Palmer - 2224 B.C.


At the present time that earliest of Egyptian dates is considered to be c. 3100 B.C., with some considering 2900 B.C. still better.

"In the course of a single century's research, the earliest date in Egyptian historythat of Egypt's unification under King Meneshas plummeted from 5876 to 2900 B.C. and not even the latter year has been established beyond doubt. Do we, in fact, have any firm dates at all?" Johannes Lehmann, The Hittites (1977), p. 204.

Ancient Egyptian Chronology and the Book of Genesis
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...nology-genesis

#The analyses suggest the rise to statehood occurred between 200 and 300 years faster than previously thought, beginning between 3800 B.C. and 3700 B.C., rather than the past estimate of 4000 B.C.#
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/who-r...yet-8C11071362

http://creation.com/timing-is-everything good article on Egyptian dating

this would be good for exodus

Dr. Bryant Wood presents evidence that refutes five criticisms of the Bible. Criticism #1: There is no evidence for the presence of the Israelites in Egypt. #2: There was no capital at Rameses for the Israelites to depart from. #3: There is no evidence for the route, date and nature of the Exodus. #4: Jericho was not occupied when the Israelites entered Canaan. #5: The city of Ai recorded in Joshua 7-8 shows no evidence for destruction as the Bible records it
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/book...ct.aspx?id=129


Unwrapping the Pharaohs
http://www.amazon.com/Unwrapping-Pha.../dp/0890514682