British soldier left to starve after losing JSA

[InsaneApache]

As Liam Burns said "There's no more money left!"

So who is at fault?

Also Tebbit never said "get on yer bike" any more than Thatcher said "No such thing as society".

You been brainwashed without knowing it.

I could spend hours talking about how I believe there should be better funding for the welfare state, NHS and other public services

They've had £billions chucked at it since '97. Guess what? An 85% increase in managers.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well, it is not that the system is failing, there is no political will to actually engage with the system as many people see it as toxic, due as you mentioned with your very own words "gypsey palaces" and even with the 'I don't vote' topic, you bring up here "But sadly people in this country will be too apathetic to do anything about it."

If people are dying because of the current system then it is failing. End of.

Fact 1: Gypsies are building palaces with DWP money.
Fact 2: Ordinary Britons are dying because the DWP won't give them any money.

The system is clearly broke. I disagree that there is no political will to engage it, because there seems to be plenty of political will to cut it down piece by piece.

I also don't get why my complaints about apathy conflict about what I said in the "I don't vote" thread. Like I said do other things for my 'civic engagement'.

As Liam Burns said "There's no more money left!"

So who is at fault?

I'm not here to defend the entire welfare state, I am just saying that I find it disgraceful that this individual was left to die like that. Surely you would at least agree with that?

Also Tebbit never said "get on yer bike" any more than Thatcher said "No such thing as society".

You been brainwashed without knowing it.

"I grew up in the thirties with an unemployed father. He didn't riot, he got on his bike and looked for work and he kept looking till he found it."

Now unless he just felt like telling a story for nostalgia's sake, I'm pretty sure he's implying that the unemployed should indeed get on their bike just like his father did, and by extension, if they fail to find work then it is their fault for not trying hard enough.

Not only is that argument wrong, it is irrelevant. Because if everybody on the dole was to suddenly get on their bike and do everything in their power to find work, then the level of unemployment would not change at all. This is because of the fundamental fact that everybody keeps forgetting - there are always far more jobless than there are job vacancies. It is just the nature of our economy - full employment is no longer needed to fuel it.

So if we, as you suggest, truly can't afford to pay for the unemployed masses, then our only two option are to either let them all die of in some sort of Malthusian check, or reform the economy so that they gain employment. I know which option I would go for...