Turkish Presidential Elections of 2014: Erdoğan victorious from the 1st round.

[HoreTore]

I am not saying it, just saying that others are saying it. It aren't the least respepected, Gilles Kepel for example.

Post a linky. I have a slight feeling you've mixed up some terms.

There's no way in hell a political scientist is going to claim that Saddam and Khomeini represent the same movement.

Edit: Gilles Kepel makes a clear distinction between arab nationalism and Islamism, by explaining the rise of the latter by the failures of the former.

The first phase, from September 1970 to 1 February 1979 is the formative one. In the Arab world, the first date epitomises the demise of Arab nationalism, coinciding with the death of Nasser and civil war in Jordan. This opened a huge window of opportunity for an alternative ideology.

(my emphasis)

[Fragony]

Post a linky. I have a slight feeling you've mixed up some terms.

There's no way in hell a political scientist is going to claim that Saddam and Khomeini represent the same movement.

http://books.google.nl/books/about/J...oC&redir_esc=y

Pretty good read, get latest edition if you want to read, adds a few chapters

[HoreTore]

http://books.google.nl/books/about/J...oC&redir_esc=y

Pretty good read, get latest edition if you want to read, adds a few chapters

Reading his article about this book(excerpt in my edit above) explains things wonderfully: you've misunderstood.

[Fragony]

Reading his article about this book(excerpt in my edit above) explains things wonderfully: you've misunderstood.

No I didn't, it never says it's the same, only that it's connected.

[HoreTore]

No I didn't, it never says it's the same, only that it's connected.

What?

I wouldn't say definatily not, there are enough experts with more than enough gravitas that do make the link between arab nationalism and islamism, and basicly see it as the same thing; islamism being a political ideoligy being disguised by a religion, in the end it's all about power.

"Connected" =/= "basically the same thing".


They are connected in the sense that they arose in the same general area. That's about where the connection ends. And reading chapter 3 of Kepel's book (found here) reveals that he thinks the same.

[Fragony]

What?



"Connected" =/= "basically the same thing".


They are connected in the sense that they arose in the same general area. That's about where the connection ends. And reading chapter 3 of Kepel's book (found here) reveals that he thinks the same.

That's about the seventies, I am talking about the twenties

Edit, pretty damn awesome that this book is publshed online, good find.

[HoreTore]

That's about the seventies, I am talking about the twenties

There is no mention of the 20's in Kepel's book(handy free edition).

Further, Islamism was not properly developed as an ideology until after WW2.