Speaking of Israel...

[Fragony]

And where's the evidence that Israel wants peace?

At least 10 offered cease-fires being broken is kinda an indication on who does what

[Pannonian]

At least 10 offered cease-fires being broken is kinda an indication on who does what

And the landgrab in the West Bank? AFAIK territorial disputes is the most common, and usually considered the most deserving, cause of war in history, with the people whose land is being taken considered to have an automatic right to expel the invader by whatever means possible. What is your opinion of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank? What are the rights of the West Bank Palestinian authorities wrt these settlements in your view?

[Fragony]

And the landgrab in the West Bank? AFAIK territorial disputes is the most common, and usually considered the most deserving, cause of war in history, with the people whose land is being taken considered to have an automatic right to expel the invader by whatever means possible. What is your opinion of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank? What are the rights of the West Bank Palestinian authorities wrt these settlements in your view?

Settlements should stop I'd say but the west bank isn't Gaza. Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

[HoreTore]

Settlements should stop I'd say but the west bank isn't Gaza. Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

You are correct that Gaza is not the west bank.

The West Bank has kept at peace with Israel for years.
Gaza has been at war with Israel several times in the last years.

The results?

Tons of settlements in the West Bank.
No settlements in Gaza.


An interesting way of rewarding peace.

[Fragony]

You are correct that Gaza is not the west bank.

The West Bank has kept at peace with Israel for years.
Gaza has been at war with Israel several times in the last years.

The results?

Tons of settlements in the West Bank.
No settlements in Gaza.


An interesting way of rewarding peace.

I know it's unfair. But lets be honest the majority isn't even from there, mostly refugees from the civil war in Libanon. Not building settlements would be a courtisy I would apreciate.

[HoreTore]

But lets be honest the majority isn't even from there

I fully agree that the vast majority of the settlers are not from there.

[Fragony]

I fully agree that the vast majority of the settlers are not from there.

So what. It's perfectly possible to have an opinion on Hamas without even thinking about the settlements. I don't like that either but worse things happen, not something I can get all that upset about when you think of what IS and Boko Haram are doing, why are we so upset about such a tiny conflict? And why is it so much more important?

[Kralizec]

Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

If we were talking about Israel in general that would be debatable. Gaza and the West bank, however, were grabbed in the six-day war which opened with an Israeli first strike.

[Fragony]

If we were talking about Israel in general that would be debatable. Gaza and the West bank, however, were grabbed in the six-day war which opened with an Israeli first strike.

I didn't know that, but it's hard to consider something a first strike when war has been declared.

[Papewaio]

I didn't know that, but it's hard to consider something a first strike when war has been declared.

How about before Israel was even declared a state?

The King David Hotel bombing?
The ethnic cleansing of a village?
Fighting the British whilst the British fought the Nazis?

There are things even now with deadlier technology and higher population densities that the ultra nationalists did that make what is happening now look like a sideshow. Not orders of magnitude worse but two or three times more deadly.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sorry to say Frags, but your arguments come off as rather thin...

You know I am no big fan of Arabic culture, but they most def are not the sole evil working in the region. Both the Jewish and the Arabic cultures are problematic towards each other, on a very much mutual scale.