People with culture enriching UK schools...

[Fragony]

I don't see why it has to be a national debate or why an entire school has to cater to either side exclusively.

I do. It's basicly a coup what is being described. Islamisation being an active practise. It's not nothing that non-muslims are being worked out in a public school. It's predatory behaviour. If you happen to live in a neighbourbood, would you want a public school to be neutral or not. Overstepping, I can absolutily understand why people don't want this. In more fashionable terms, screw this.

[Husar]

I do. It's basicly a coup what is being described. Islamisation being an active practise. It's not nothing that non-muslims are being worked out in a public school. It's predatory behaviour. If you happen to live in a neighbourbood, would you want a public school to be neutral or not. Overstepping, I can absolutily understand why people don't want this. In more fashionable terms, screw this.

No you don't. I said I do not see why it has to cater to either side exclusively, obviously that includes the muslim side.
I've heard of schools here where the children threaten the teachers and that is just as wrong.
Some of it might just come from the fact that we dump immigrants in ghettos where they will then show up in concentrated form and have little need or chance of integration, at least here that actually does seem to be the governments' fault because they decide where the newcomers get to live at first. And then they can just happily dwell in the violent ways of the countries they came from while forming an in-group that feels opposed by the locals who are outside. And then we act surprised that they aren't fond of us after we always stoop up when they tried to take a seat next to us.

But hey, they are all evil, have you ever looked into the evil red eyes of a 14 year-old hijab-wearing monster? I say we send them all back to where the government wants to kill them.

[rory_20_uk]

Dumped in ghettos? Our society doesn't allow to prevent people living where they want - and often people do congregate together where they share cultures and languages. In fact, there have been problems when attempts to disperse groups further afield have been undertaken.

Historically itdidn't really matter as the number of immigrants with a very different culture who had no interest in integrating was pretty low. And yes, being the same race helps as then all that is "different" is one's surname.

And in the UK we had a large influx from the Carribbean. The difficulties there were good old fashioned racism and now that this has been (mainly) confined to the dustbin there are not that many problems as the cultures were pretty close, as was the language etc.

Now we oh so love our multi-ethnic communities - we need to get "community leaders" involved in things. This further delineates people into groups on almost tribal (culture / religion / ethnicity - it probably varies) affiliations- I thought our community leaders were the MPs who represent everyone in an area!

So, getting to people to speak English is not acceptable, as is a view their religion, choice of clothing, arranged marriages, unofficial courts... there are calls for doing something about female genital mutilation - but what exactly? The right to privicy and the right to a family life mean that one is powerless until after the fact (as we can't be racially profiling, right?)

A free society and policing by consent is all well and good - and preferable - but it does require that the society being policed and governed is relatively homogenous culturally.

If one is seeking asylum one is supposed to seek it in the first country that one comes to that is safe. Now, unless France is worse than even I think it is all those "asylum seekers" waiting to smuggle into the UK are "economic migrants".

The bad, bad, BAD days where Europeans owned other countries is thankfully over, and all are free to indulge in levels of corruption, ethnic cleansing and religious pogoms that would even make Leopold II say "whoah - steady on!" But we shoud not treat them like children, nor inflict a narrow minded interpretation of Western ethics upon them. Trade with them - fine. But as they so chose, their own affairs are their own.

The best example of this is Germany. Few countries are blaming Germany for not getting involved in this war or that war at massive expense - yet the UK is blamed when it does and blamed when it doesn't.

[HoreTore]

Dumped in ghettos? Our society doesn't allow to prevent people living where they want - and often people do congregate together where they share cultures and languages. In fact, there have been problems when attempts to disperse groups further afield have been undertaken.

So, a newly arrived immigrant is free to live in a 'white' neighborhood on the west side...?

Money determines where you live. Not your culture.

Historically itdidn't really matter as the number of immigrants with a very different culture who had no interest in integrating was pretty low. And yes, being the same race helps as then all that is "different" is one's surname.

[rory_20_uk]

Money always determines where one lives - the point is it's not a government plot and that rich people of any and all ethnicity live wherever they like - e.g. the Chinese buying up large amounts of property in Manhatten. The problem is when those in the area don't want to integrate - they want the economic benefits of the state, but otherwise the culture of where they left.

Interesting that on the poster it is the fact they are poor that is the problem, not that they are foreigners. We've imported everything - including our royal family. I imagine that this lot also loathed the unwashed masses just as much.

No one has ever liked "foreigners" coming over here (wherever "here" is) taking our land / jobs / women / benefits / pubs (one can always find something) but the furore dies down when you can't spot "them" - it takes a lot of stamina to hate a group that to all intents and purposes are the same as your own - they have integrated. The more differences one chooses to have the more resentment one will have, probably at one extreme being merely the accent to the other being culture, religion, language and the desire to keep all of these things.

[HoreTore]

No, but can you rule out any intention

There is no evidence to back up any intention.

Money always determines where one lives - the point is it's not a government plot

It's definitely not a government plot - but it is government policy. Not the part about keeping immigrants together, but that about keeping housing prices high. Someone living in a nice area wants their housing price rising, which means they will oppose any measure likely to reduce the price of their home(like public housing or other social welfare stuff). These things will then be concentrated in certain areas, and the housing prices of those areas will be much, much lower than other places. Newly arrived immigrants lacking in funds will move there.

It's not government policy to create ghettos, but the sum of other government policies and the desires of the population will create ghettos, even if nobody really wants ghettos. An example of the tragedy of the commons. It is possible to avoid ghetto formation(or rather, areas with very low housing prices) and create a city where the housing price is more equal across the entire city. This means you have to convince the wealthy to accept services in their neighborhood likely to drive prices down, and that's a tough ask.

[rory_20_uk]

To support the UK economy we need to have the latest bubble since we don't make enough real things we need to create fake money.

I'd go further than "tough job" to "impossible" - those with loads of money will flit off elsewhere, those that remain will never forgive the system that "took" all that money out of their house price.

I think that there are things that can be done to at least reduce the rate of house price inflation and reduce house prices and that would be to simply replace council tax bands with a flat percentage of the worth of the property - oh, I'm sure that there are those able to pay tens of thousands of pounds annually to live somewhere but most can't.

But again - how does one impliment that? Suddenly making almost everyone in negative equity at the stroke of a pen. With something like a 10 year notice period and then a very slow increase perhaps it might work. Might loose a lot of votes as well of course.

[Fragony]

There is no evidence to back up any intention.

If there would be it would be left out of the rapport because it's England. Same happened with the massive rape case were people with culture were involved. No less than 1300 victims but social harmony was too important.

Social harmony, big lol

[HoreTore]

I do. It's basicly a coup what is being described. Islamisation being an active practise.

Could you point to where in the report it describes an active islamisation of the school?

[Fragony]

Could you point to where in the report it describes an active islamisation of the school?

No, but can you rule out any intention