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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    afaik, the states pushing for stricter voter ID:s are mostly the ones that had Jim Crow laws in the past, so it has a poor history.

    And you also have a disproponate laws. An UK law that hits 95% of all Sikhs and 10% of all Brits are probably racist and almost certainly aimed, even if most people affected aren't Sikhs. .
    Let's say some people decide to follow pre-Roman Celtic religion, or decide that they'd like to own slaves. Merely that 100% of them would fall foul of the bans on human sacrifice doesn't mean that this law is biased against them, merely that their practices are against modern society.

    If groups want to have knives under the beds of their children due to their culture a ban doesn't make this aimed against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Let's say some people decide to follow pre-Roman Celtic religion, or decide that they'd like to own slaves. Merely that 100% of them would fall foul of the bans on human sacrifice doesn't mean that this law is biased against them, merely that their practices are against modern society.

    If groups want to have knives under the beds of their children due to their culture a ban doesn't make this aimed against them.

    If the laws are introduced as a response, rather than preexisting, then they're aimed. Whatever this aiming are good or not depends on the goal of the law.

    These laws are to further restrict the number of people that votes, or officially to expensivly stop an almost non-existant problem.

    The US voting laws in general are very restrictive. Voting is done on a workday. The voting places are way too few, creating hour long voting queues. The proposed laws would create a need to, in practice, pay for a specific ID for voting and the offices that fixes this has notoriously short working hours (like a few hours one day a month in some cases).

    I think the racist accusations would been lower if it weren't for the Jim Crow laws, that if fairly applied would've restricted voting to something like 0.1% of the population.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Make what you will of this.

    The first Tuesday of November being a work day is probably NOT a relevant factor. Numerous states, by the way, have shifted to a system of "Early voting" that effectively extends the election to 2-3 weeks.
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    Default Re: Someone Explain to Me How Voter IDs are racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Make what you will of this.

    The first Tuesday of November being a work day is probably NOT a relevant factor. Numerous states, by the way, have shifted to a system of "Early voting" that effectively extends the election to 2-3 weeks.
    You can't prove that by looking at the turnout of the unemployed, as that group is known for a much smaller turnout than the employed.


    And why you yanks still haven't been able to introduce a standardized voting system across the entire nation baffles me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    ...And why you yanks still haven't been able to introduce a standardized voting system across the entire nation baffles me.
    It's part of the antiquated "each state is its own sovereign entity" stuff the founders shackled us with.
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    Default Re: Someone Explain to Me How Voter IDs are racist?

    I think there should be some threshold to voting.

    Merely making it out of your mothers vagina doesn't really qualify you to organize a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I think there should be some threshold to voting.

    Merely making it out of your mothers vagina doesn't really qualify you to organize a nation.
    Such a treshhold is always a horrible idea. It's literally gaining power by excluding groups with weak, unpopular voices that are merely tolerated today.

    Add that even the few politicians that can be called really skilled are disagreeing on how to organize a nation. So it's a question that's so complex that none has the answer.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I think there should be some threshold to voting.

    Merely making it out of your mothers vagina doesn't really qualify you to organize a nation.
    At the outset of our Republic, voters were restricted to those owning property of some sort: x value of land, x book value of business, # of employees, etc. Oh, and they had to have a penis -- or at least no one who questioned whether or not they possessed said male appendage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    It's part of the antiquated "each state is its own sovereign entity" stuff the founders shackled us with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Make what you will of this.

    The first Tuesday of November being a work day is probably NOT a relevant factor. Numerous states, by the way, have shifted to a system of "Early voting" that effectively extends the election to 2-3 weeks.
    Someone is profiting from it. Buissness gets crazy when a new holiday is suggested. And voting day is a loss of working hours.

    I take it some people don't get payed for the time it takes to vote? That's a relevant factor if it does. Extending the time for being able to vote is a significant improvement, I agree.

    Vincent, yes someone could "steal" your vote without an ID system. Thing is, we can count those. If you get there and your vote is stolen, are you just going to say "huh, never mind then" and go home? Or rise hell so the news gets hold of it?
    To have an influence on an election, we're talking 10.000+ or larger cases of this, so it's not enough with a few articles, the newspapers would be swarmed with this every election.

    So, we can conclude that any such frauds are made by people who knows who will vote or not. That information can only be gotten through asking the people if they'll vote or not. And any large scale of that is impossible.

    It's much, much easier to regulate that the voting boxes are a black box system and the only "paper trail". Then you manipulate from there. You don't even need a conspiracy, only a fanatic programmer.

    It's not a stupid idea in theory, it's just the way it's formed in the US that makes it expensive and voter restrictive.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Default Re: Someone Explain to Me How Voter IDs are racist?

    being european to me it's simply bizarre that would could vote without presenting valid government issued ID.

    on the other hand, its pretty clear to me that the people pushing for this in the United States that are pushing for this are doing it mostlyfrom a cynical perspective that it will make it harder for people that vote for the other side to actually vote.

    so I´ll go with GAH!
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    Here we get a little card at home that allows us to vote. Last time I did so, I wanted to ID myself at the polling station, but they said the card was enough. Now the card only has my name written on it, does that mean that Merkel is most likely not my legitimately elected President?


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