Tiaexz does a girly job and why Kadagar prefers to be grappled by burly fireMEN

[a completely inoffensive name]

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That's not very sex positive.

No, he has...

Amazing argument. You have truly shown where the high ground is.

[Ironside]

If I understood things right, men have a more diverse range of genes than women...

On the IQ bell curve, the mens curve is broader.

This means, that while the average or median IQ is the same, you will find more really stupid, and really smart men.

The left side of the curve doesn't effect the economy much in a male/female perspective, as you're probably on some sort of wellfare anyway (this basically mean that more men are REALLY retarded, not just retarded).

The right side however does affect economy, as the most intelligent ones will predominantly be men. Society has a tendency to reward ability on the right side more, so with a broader curve, the males comes out on top.

Can this be pat of explaining why men tend to take the top positions in most endeavors? And partly explain why men tend to earn somewhat more?

Not really. High IQ gives higher salary jobs on average, but it's not that notable for the very high IQ people (where such a difference is most notable). The top positions aren't help by people with very high IQ, those tend to top out as specialists.

This is a more probable reason. Short version. In media and general conversations, if the male/female ratio is getting close to 50/50, the environment feels to be massivly female.
So a man and a woman contributing equally verbally will feel like the woman is heavily dominating (aka being pushy), while if they feel to be contributing equally, the man will be contributing more (aka contributing more on the percieved same amount of time).

[Rhyfelwyr]

In my experience, sexual harassment towards men is more frequent in the workplace, it just isn't regarded as harassment.

Now I've been compared variously to a gorilla and Lurch from the Adams family, and I've still experienced what many people would consider sexual harassment from colleagues and customers.

So its not surprise to see what wee guys like this experience just for packing shopping bags.

The exception to the above rule, again just from my experience, is Indian men. They don't hold back or try in the least to be subtle about it when it comes to harassing women. I don't say this to race bait, but just to highlight that our behaviour in these things is about the culture that is ingrained into us.

[Fragony]

Incredible India. Just hit them if they are being rude. But don't you really mean Asians. You know who I mean.

[a completely inoffensive name]

So its not surprise to see what wee guys like this experience just for packing shopping bags.

He was asking for all that attention by wearing that tight shirt.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I recall something about how when going for a job interview men ask about salary and women argue about flexible hours, childcare etc. I forget the paper but the general thrust was that since the 1980's and the end of Second Wave Feminism many women have chosen children over career, so there aren't as many women in top positions as men now at least partly because of self imposed limits.

There's a strong argument that the men in these top positions are not leading "healthy" lives, either.

[HoreTore]

Men have shorter life spans not because of genetic difference or work difference(nurses, for example, is bloody hard physical work), but because we enjoy the finer things in life, like crashing our cars into each other, inserting sharp objects into our bodies and throwing tiny bits of metal at each other.

Discard those factors, and men and women have similar lifespans.

[Beskar]

Men have shorter life spans not because of genetic difference or work difference(nurses, for example, is bloody hard physical work), but because we enjoy the finer things in life, like crashing our cars into each other, inserting sharp objects into our bodies and throwing tiny bits of metal at each other.

Discard those factors, and men and women have similar lifespans.

Nurses lift approx 10 tons over the course of a long-day shift, it is why manual-handling is an annual/mandatory workshop every year to ensure they don't bust their backs by not working within safe or approved practise, for example. What is interesting, are these guidelines:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Now imagine patients are typically over 60kg, and they need to be moved, escorted, lifted, washed...

[Montmorency]

Kadagar is sexist because he only has sex with women, right?

Hang on...

Are you suggesting that Kadagar took advantage of the hot nurse?

Surely she's an autonomous actor can make her own decisions?

If Kadagar was a girl and proposed to fornicate with a male nurse, would you bring that up?

PVC, you made the same error that you accuse us of making with Kadagar.

The problem isn't the sexual encounter in itself, in other words. This is sexist because it says:

1. Men can be sexually harassed.
2. But that's no problem, cuz when I get harassed I go out and fuck chicks!
3. Only pussies complain about sexual harassment.

[Kadagar_AV]

1. Men can be sexually harassed.
2. But that's no problem, cuz when I get harassed I go out and fuck chicks!
3. Only pussies complain about sexual harassment.

Word

See, now you finally GET me



EDIT: Sexual harassment of pussies is still WRONG though

[Kadagar_AV]

See it as a game, what would you do

Economy has a perk when consisting of men

See, what I love about Frags is that he is outspoken and once in a while absolutely kills the argument.

If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.




Another way to look at it:

When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes, who are the top 10 persons you have worked with in your life you would form a crew with? It is about survival, you know, much like anything else. EVER.

I know what my crew would look like, and trust me, it's not 50/50 based on gender.

[Montmorency]

If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.

he killed the argument by - not making any argument whatsoever but coincidentally agreeing with what you maintain? Interesting.

When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes

It's 0, because no one I know, male or female, is fit to survive an apocalypse by doing it the way you imagine. Stop deluding yourself, the only way to survive an apocalypse is to immediately form an ad-hoc community and utilize everyone's skills to the maximum. Making it a "NO GIRLZ CLUB" because teh menz are strong and brave and can shoot guns is wrong on literally every level.

[Beskar]

I know what my crew would look like, and trust me, it's not 50/50 based on gender.

You know, the survival of the human species requires fewer men than women.

If we are also speaking about the slow stumbler types, women can overpower them easy enough too. Force-equalizers like guns also level the playing field.

Anyway, you forget, the strongest parent is your mother, not the father.

[Kadagar_AV]

You know, the survival of the human species requires fewer men than women.

If we are also speaking about the slow stumbler types, women can overpower them easy enough too. Force-equalizers like guns also level the playing field.

Anyway, you forget, the strongest parent is your mother, not the father.

I think you read me wrong.

I said, what 20 people would you want to have in your CREW?

The CREW can pick up girls in the zombie apocalypse

Heck, the better the crew, the more girls we would be able to save. Ooooooooooooooooooooh PC incorrectness warning...

[HoreTore]

Why is it that bigots so often live in the world of a 13-year old?

[Sarmatian]

If anyone doesn't see the point in this, it's because you have worked in feminist controlled work settings, or have bent over for political correctness.

Is this a fancy way of saying that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong?

[CrossLOPER]

If I understood things right, men have a more diverse range of genes than women...

On the IQ bell curve, the mens curve is broader.

This means, that while the average or median IQ is the same, you will find more really stupid, and really smart men.

The left side of the curve doesn't effect the economy much in a male/female perspective, as you're probably on some sort of wellfare anyway i am talking out of my(this basically mean that more men are REALLY retarded, not just retarded).

The right side however does affect economy, as the most intelligent ones will predominantly be men. Society has a tendency to reward ability on the right side more, so with a broader curve, the males comes out on top.

Can this be part of explaining why men tend to take the top positions in most endeavors? And partly explain why men tend to earn somewhat more?

If you seriously think that "the top" is comprised of "elite" intellectual male substance...

[Kadagar_AV]

Is this a fancy way of saying that anyone who disagrees with me is wrong?

Congratulations!!

You picked out one sentence, to fight a position that has gone on for hundreds of lines of text.

And YOU WON!!

You want a cookie?

Or are you going to listen in, try to understand the point, follow some sources, and make an intelligent reply?

If you seriously think that "the top" is comprised of "elite" intellectual male substance...

Huh?

Where did you get that from?

You must have either misread me, or lacked the capacity to understand me, if you think I in anyway based any argument on the top of the bell curve.

I thought I was very precise when I talked about how the right side of the bell curve is what really matters, when it comes to who does well at what.

A broader range of genetic diversity in men means more men will excel generally, compared to women.

How is that wrong?

[Montmorency]

Congratulations!!

You picked out one sentence, to fight a position that has gone on for hundreds of lines of text.

And YOU WON!!

You want a cookie?

Or are you going to listen in, try to understand the point, follow some sources, and make an intelligent reply?

Lol, that's precisely what you're doing. Sarmatian did no such thing. He's even posted earlier in the thread to correct you, if you'll recall.

[HoreTore]

It's wrong because the data is bogus and you don't understand a thing of what you're talking about.

I'm assuming you're on the left of the spectrum.

[Husar]

When the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE comes, who are the top 10 persons you have worked with in your life you would form a crew with?

I said, what 20 people would you want to have in your CREW?

Yes, I know, but I laugh about it myself, I'm silly and pedantic and a lot of other bad things.
Deal with it.

[Fragony]

Why is it that bigots so often live in the world of a 13-year old?

I take it I am one of them.

Why do lefties always confuse what they want with what is simply so? Women do make it to the top if they have qualities that are required. Feminist movement should just shut up, you aren't entitled to special treatment just because you have a fleshwound between your legs.

The ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE is a fun one, if you consider the odds, what are your chances of survival. Just you, not the human species.

[Montmorency]

Feminist movement should just shut up, you aren't entitled to special treatment just because you have a fleshwound between your legs.

But they already are given special treatment. Feminists want you to stop giving them special treatment.

[Fragony]

But they already are given special treatment. Feminists want you to stop giving them special treatment.

Yeah, that is why they want quota for top-positions. A circular argument of a F5-tornado.

[Montmorency]

Yeah, that is why they want quota for top-positions.

Transitional phase. You don't want to stop treating them specially, so they offer to wean you off it.

[Fragony]

Transitional phase. You don't want to stop treating them specially, so they offer to wean you off it.

By demanding quota that are de facto discriminating men, yes that makes total sense. The able will get where they want to be, plenty of examples of incredibly capable women that are doing fantastic. But it's not to be taken for granted. As long as femininists refuse to shut the hell up when there is a perfectly fine level-playing field I am not going to be a shoulder to cry on.

[Montmorency]

By demanding quota that are de facto discriminating men

The able will get where they want to be

Wrong.

As long as femininists refuse to shut the hell up when there is a perfectly fine level-playing field I am not going to be a shoulder to cry on.

I know to take what you say very carefully, but - the meaning here is that you will not admit that women are disadvantaged unless they stop complaining that they're being disadvantaged.

And that's pretty messed up.

[HoreTore]

I take it I am one of them.

No, I wasn't talking about you Frags.

Anyway. As a white, heterosexual male, I will be preferred by employer before they even see my qualifications compared to those applicants who do not share those 3 traits.

I want that special treatment to end. I want to be judged on my qualifications, not on the way I use my penis.

[Fragony]

Wrong.



I know to take what you say very carefully, but - the meaning here is that you will not admit that women are disadvantaged unless they stop complaining that they're being disadvantaged.

And that's pretty messed up.

Kindly allow me to point out why fighting against sexual discrimination, or any discrimination, is more messed up; nobody is going to really believe you when you can rightfully claim you did it all by yourself.

[Husar]

Not all women are feminists.
Not all feminists want quotas.
Not all women want quotas.
Not all quotas are wanted by feminists.
Not all quotas are wanted by women.
Not all solutions are quotas.
Not all quotas are solutions.

But it's also not like quotas would necessarily force companies to choose unqualified women for those jobs, they would of course try to find the qualified ones. And in quite a few companies it may be the first time they seriously look for qualified women to promote to these positions. For women it would create an incentive to try to get there, because that incentive is much lower if you know you wouldn't really be considered anyway. That is incidentally also why all the arguments based on the status quo make no sense, because it has been proven time and again that the status quo is biased against women even if they have the same qualifications. Women even had to fight for the right to vote. To say that feminism is just about unfairly disadvantaging men is ridiculous, or are you also mad they your votes are only worth 50% of what they were before women could vote?