Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
You are just describing visible phenotype variation, not genetic homogeneity.

Dogs are a poor/unfortunate example when it comes to phenotypes and visible traits. They have a uniquely plastic quality as a species, due to factors that are largely unknown. Cats would be a better example if you really had to go down that route.

Lets go back to the room of Swedes and Zulus again. Lets dramatically oversimplify and imagine they have a list of 1000 traits and genetic variables that can either be a or b. Of those variables, only, say, 25 affect the visible features of skin tone, hair type, face shape and eye colour, etc.

We would expect *some* homogeneity on those 25 traits, but even there we may still get cross over between the groups. Especially as the sample of Zulus and Swedes grows. We may also get some homogeneity on another 25-50 traits, and have another dozen traits here or there where there are novel patterns within subgroups of those groups.

But on the other 900 traits, we probably see no correlation at all, and couldn't predict who was in either group from those differences.

We are human, and from our evolutionary heritage are programmed to see visible difference, to identify "others", and to create mental and cultural groupings. This instinct is just an instinct. A pattern of social and cultural behaviour. It isn't borne out by anything scientific.
OH MY GOD THIS IS STUPID.

Geez, I don't even know where to begin... Also, saturday eve and i already had some, so wrong time to debate.

I'll just deal with the stupid STUPID end, and deal with the rest later when I'm more sober.

We are human, and from our evolutionary heritage are programmed to see visible difference, to identify "others", and to create mental and cultural groupings. This instinct is just an instinct.
We are, from our evolutionary heritage that has lead us to being top predators and rocket scientists exploring space - and who is the sole race in the known universe to have reached sentience enough to fight against its own destruction in case of natural disasters - programmed to identify "others" yes. Mainly because these "others" can hold our evolution back, and we want to kill them or make them submissive... Heck, at the very minimum just make others shut up and do as they are told until they have an intelligent comeback answer.

And yes, this instinct is just an instinct. But wait... "JUST" an instinct? Instincts are what ****ing DRIVES us. It is what has made humans be humans. It is what has caused us to reach this mayhaps previously never reached level of sentience.

ARE YOU ON DRUGS!? If so they must be great.... Don't hog them bro...



A pattern of social and cultural behaviour. It isn't borne out by anything scientific.
Uuuuh... I would call millions and millions and millions and millions of years of evolution "scientific".

Also, here is a side of me that I think few people here understand about me... I will put it in bigger letters to make it clear also for future discussions.

I BELIEVE IN DIVERSITY

Not the diversity where every culture get all jumbled up together in every nation and create one sole human race, all being more or less the same, with the same views, with the same solutions to problems.



My Utopia is a world with different nations, peacefully cooperating and sharing ideas, individually testing things to see if it's fruitful, learning from each others, respecting each others...

Which of these systems do you believe produce the steepest learning curve? Which of these systems do you really think is best on a evolutionary scale?



And as a Big thumbs up to my dear USAnian friends...

YES, I am basically saying I want the world to work like the US, or EU... Where we all agree on some basic moral principles: Let's not kill each other or go over moral and decent lines to mess with each other, and let's help each others when someone is in great need. However, let's try NOT to all be the same, as that has never been a really good solution for solving problems that might arise...


PHEW....

Hope some of you get me