France Shoot-Out

[Montmorency]

Very interesting move by Al-Sisi in Egypt.

[Fragony]

Yes, that was a horrific and soulless act. I'm not asking for mercy for "them". I'm asking for mercy for us all.

You used the metaphor of cancer earlier. You're more right than you apparently realize. Remember, cancer is the organism's own cells, acting aggressively in discord within the organism, not a foreign invader acting within a host.

Most fundies are third generation who were born here, with all the chances we have.

[Fragony]

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Do you believe that anarchist philosophy is inherently violent?

Yeah and is doesn't answer anything. Why, exactly, does something that is the same thing everywhere it is doesn't have anything to do with it?

[Husar]

Judging by the number of head-in-the-sand muslim apologists in this thread, Europe deserves what's coming. Massacres like this one will only increase in frequency, especially with Europe's clear choice of pacification of these savages instead of confronting this disgusting ideology head on.
My heart aches for the good old Europe, but folks, it is your responsibility to recognize that the problem exists, and take steps to solve this problem. If in your eyes there's no problem, then so be it: you will only have yourselves to blame later on.
Any religion or ideology is only as good as its followers. It doesn't really matter what the dogma says, it doesn't matter how alike or different one religion is from the others. The only thing that truly matters is what the adherents of a given religion do. That's all. And actions truly speak for themselves.

But if that means we should expell all muslims from Europe because two of them turned into killers, then we should also expell all christians because some of them shot up an abortion clinic. The more dangerous branches of islam are usually already under surveillance by the police and you won't find many Europeans who actually like them or even apologize for hate speech in mosques. But random girls in hijabs aren't terrorists and there's no need to send them anywhere. I'm not entirely sure what your or Fragony's problem is with our attitude. The only thing we don't want is for us to turn to the same barbarism and uncivilized behavior in response to such attacks. Is that wrong?

[HopAlongBunny]

The Daily Beast gives a good sketch of the shifting parameters around "freedom of speech"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...y-re-dead.html

The Paris attack was brutal, criminal and ugly; it was hardly the greatest assault on free speech in Western Democracies.

[Fragony]

Was it really, people who warned against this have been demonised, rediculed, and even killed by leftists.

[Husar]

Was it really, people who warned against this have been demonised, rediculed, and even killed by leftists.

And people who warned against Ebola have been demonised, ridiculed and killed by Ebola, stuff happens, nothing we can do.

[Don Corleone]

Most fundies are third generation who were born here, with all the chances we have.

I'm not sure if you're deliberately missing my point. In many ways, you're making my case for me.

The young fellow who shot up Sandy Hook in Newtown used video games as his cocoon, to maintain his dearly held illusion of separate self. Wall street bankers use private jets. The fellows in Paris on Wednesday used Islam.

The tool is the tool. It did not cause the mayhem, it enabled it. The "cause" in all of these cases was the despair felt in these human beings... or if you will, these elements of THE human being. Their lack of ability to identify, to empathize, to express and receive compassion... This is what is destroying US right now. You're myopically fixating on one symptom.

Let me put it to you this way Frag... child sex trafficing is rampant throughout Europe and North America. It impacts and destroys the lives of far more people than radical Islam "in the West". What are we doing about that? And that's just a bigger symptom than radical Islamism. There are bigger ones yet.

I believe humanity is at a nexus. I don't know what comes next. But I do know that as long as I look at any human being and see something other than myself, I'm part of the problem.

Actions are abhorent and evil. Human beings themselves never are.

[Fragony]

What you don't get is that I make a difference between ordinary muslims and extremists. I am perfectly fine with muslims, but not with islam.

[Husar]

What you don't get is that I make a difference between ordinary muslims and extremists. I am perfectly fine with muslims, but not with islam.

Noone else thinks that the word islam = extremism

That's your problem, you're using different terms than everyone else around you.
It's not that others are stupid, it's that you have your very own terminology that only you use, at least on this forum.
For everybody else, your ordinary muslims also follow islam, but a different interpretation of it than the extremists.
The argument about which one is the correct interpretation can be had, but only if all Americans hand in their guns for the militia.

[Fragony]

Noone else thinks that the word islam = extremism

That's your problem, you're using different terms than everyone else around you.
It's not that others are stupid, it's that you have your very own terminology that only you use, at least on this forum.
For everybody else, your ordinary muslims also follow islam, but a different interpretation of it than the extremists.
The argument about which one is the correct interpretation can be had, but only if all Americans hand in their guns for the militia.

Everybody else must be wrong then, and I am the last sane person alive.

Ane ffs is there something inw the water you drink, I couldn't make the destiction between muslims and islamists more obvious, go fuck a stepherd wife.

[Fragony]

Seems that they werd killed in a jewish supermarket. Experts allready know, for a fact, that it has nothing to do with islam. They don't say why but that's normal, they never do

[CrossLOPER]

Any religion or ideology is only as good as its followers.

Catholics, IRA bombers, abortion clinic bombers, child molesters BLAH BLAH BLAH. I don't even have to try with you, since you yourself are putting zero effort into your own arguments.

Was it really, people who warned against this have been demonised, rediculed, and even killed by leftists.

Nine years I have been here, and you still don't know how to spell that word.

[Husar]

Everybody else must be wrong then, and I am the last sane person alive.

Ane ffs is there something inw the water you drink, I couldn't make the destiction between muslims and islamists more obvious, go fuck a stepherd wife.

So I just explained/assumed that we agree on the basic concepts but not on the wording, and you reply by saying I still don't get it and add something that is apprently meant to be an insult? Do you not like the idea that we might actually agree on something or is it the idea that you're not the only sane person here that gets to you?

Seems that they werd killed in a jewish supermarket. Experts allready know, for a fact, that it has nothing to do with islam. They don't say why but that's normal, they never do

And then just back to normal...
The two suspects for the attack were shot in/near a printing "factory", the supermarket thing was related, some acquaintance of theirs took hostages there and was shot as well.

Also: http://video.foxnews.com/v/397670799...#sp=show-clips



And also lol: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...ets-wrong.aspx

End of also.

[Kagemusha]

Three terrorists less. Put down like rabid dogs by French police. Good riddance. If one take actions like these idiots, they should not expect anything else and i can only hope that in the future other police forces will act accordingly when time comes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30752239

[Fragony]

Catholics, IRA bombers, abortion clinic bombers, child molesters BLAH BLAH BLAH. I don't even have to try with you, since you yourself are putting zero effort into your own arguments.


Nine years I have been here, and you still don't know how to spell that word.

It's perfectly fine, and if it isn't so what, I am Dutch, english isn't my native language

[Papewaio]

What you don't get is that I make a difference between ordinary muslims and extremists. I am perfectly fine with muslims, but not with islam.

Sir you are missing an ist.

Muslims adhere to Islam.

The nutcases and/or terrorists are termed Islamists.

Islamists are militant fundamentists not mainstream.

Using Islam instead of Islamists is confusing and is the same as saying Catholic instead of IRA.

[CrossLOPER]

Sir you are missing an ist.

Muslims adhere to Islam.

The nutcases and/or terrorists are termed Islamists.

Islamists are militant fundamentists not mainstream.

Using Islam instead of Islamists is confusing and is the same as saying Catholic instead of IRA.

See:

It's perfectly fine, and if it isn't so what, I am Dutch, english isn't my native language

Pretty hard to have a coherent argument when you have a problem like he has.

[Fragony]

oh ouchski, that really hurtski

[Leet Eriksson]

http://imgur.com/a/zd5rl/

Arabic publications, cartoons in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo.

[Fragony]

awesome

[Fragony]

I am in good company, professor Hans Jansen says the exact same thing as me. I don't how far you get with google translate.

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments

[Hax]

Hans Jansen is a great Arabist, but he's kinda lost it the last few years.

EDIT: For example,

Islam has a weapon that destroys all trust between muslims and non-muslims: so-called "taqiyya", the right to lie when it's for the Islamic cause.

original Dutch: De islam heeft een wapen dat alle vertrouwen tussen moslims en anderen vernietigt: de zogeheten taqiyya, het recht om te liegen wanneer dat in het belang is van de islam.

Taqiyya is a rather obscure Shi'ite concept that has mostly been used historically in India among that minority living under either a Sunni or a Hindu ruler.

[Fragony]

People just don't like what he says. Ask a question and he will answer it without being afraid to hurt anyones feelings.

[Hax]

Or you could also just ignore what I posted, and come up with this statement that doesn't say anything at all. That's cool too.

[Fragony]

Or you could also just ignore what I posted, and come up with this statement that doesn't say anything at all. That's cool too.

Can't do as I don't know, I am unlike Hans Jansen not an expert on these things. That is why I am glad there are people like Hans Jansen who know just about everything about what he talks abput. All I got to offer is what I parrot, and what I can see for myself. If it is the same thing everywhere it must be the same thing everywhere. Farmer's logic and yes I know that's Dunglish.

edit, chew on this https://fubarbaar.wordpress.com/2015...dom-of-speech/

They don't even deny it, so why do you lot do?

[Leet Eriksson]

edit, chew on this https://fubarbaar.wordpress.com/2015...dom-of-speech/

This guy is a fraudster that doesn't even speak for a tiny minority of Muslims. I hope he isn't your official islamic pope though Fragony, oh wait he probably is considering you live in an alternate reality on a parallel earth.

Also this guy was busted drinking and watching nudie mags.

[Fragony]

this guy was busted drinking and watching nudie mags.

I believe you immediatly.

People like this are what normal muslims are terrified of, and what 'we' excuse. I know they are as welcome as the inquisition, but they are still allowed to spread their poison.

[Leet Eriksson]

I believe you immediatly.

People like this are what normal muslims are terrified of, and what 'we' excuse. I know they are as welcome as the inquisition, but they are still allowed to spread their poison.

Well yeah as long as he doesn't incite, but this guy has been holding positions contrary to other Islamic Scholars see and has been called out on it before, he sure serves as a useful mouthpiece for scaremongering idiots though.

I'm almost surprised why fascists like him and other anti-immigration outfits haven't declared an official alliance yet.

[CrossLOPER]

oh ouchski, that really hurtski

PRAISE MOTHERLAND ВОДКА СУКА СУКА. блядь.

I know they are as welcome as the inquisition, but they are still allowed to spread their poison.

Kinda like your Geert friend.