France Shoot-Out

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Different dynamic. Islam is not really a hierarchic "catholic" church. It is already divided into sects as is Christianity.

They probably ARE in need of someone who wishes to reform them a bit, I cannot disagree with that part of your statement at all.

Would they hold a "Congress of the faith" and create a negotiated "Caliph of the faithful" then we might see a reformer chosen to bring their traditions together in the spirit of a people of "service."

Currently, those offering themselves up as Caliph seem to be of a more of the Arnaud Amalric style of spreading the faith. Not at all a good thing.

Only in the last twenty years has the schism caused by the Council of Chalcedon sixteen centuries ago finally been healed. That argument was literally older than Islam.

In any case, the Reformation only took root in North Western Europe and it was primarily the result of a failure of dialogue within the Church that itself had been through several internal reformations in the past. Which is to say, "The Reformation" is not really the name we give to the intellectual movement for reform, but to the bloody centuries of violence and persecution that resulted from it.

Anyway, Islam has already been through multiple reformation movements, the last few have mostly involved rejection of classical philosophy in favour of the Koran and revelation - so like the Protestants, really.

Bloody cursed Protestants.

[Brenus]

"Bloody cursed Protestants." This is an highly offensive opinion. If some come to kill you for your offense, you will be guilty of offending them. Be prepared!!!!!

[Gilrandir]

“You are interpreting CH's policy according to YOUR understanding of it. Many Muslims all over the world don't see it that way.” Nope. The racism you claim CH displayed is inexistent.

I didn't claim anything. But the problem with your bias lingers: it's not important what I or other people in the backroom claim. What matters is what Muslims all over the world think. Obviously, they see it not the way you do. And that's what counts.

So obviously, you didn’t look at their drawings: It seems you are like a colour blind person trying to describe a rainbow.

I can't claim to have followed the career of CH closely, yet I have seen some pictures of theirs. But again, MY opinion is the least to count with, because (read half a dozen lines above).

Their atheism is clear and limpid. To draw a picture of someone else prophet is not racism, it is anti-clericalism or anti-religions.

You can be atheist all right. Only there is no need to insult others if they are not. The chief tenet of atheism I offered (and you agreed with) should be "be nice to everyone irrespective of what they believe (don't believe) into". CH was anything but nice.

Not to obey someone else rules is part of freedom and in the frame of the law is a right we gain by fights.

This one is a motto to remember since it can be a universal answer to all your negative comments about Ukraine and about the scum bags you referred to. They chose not to obey... (see two lines above).

“You somehow didn't buy it when I said that turmoils in Ukraine are provoked only and uniquely by Russia.” Different scenario indeed. The newspaper attacked or killed, or stormed no one, as mentioned in another intervention.
Nice try to switch France with CH.

Yet the whole of France (and half of Europe) is buzzing with excitement and counter-terrorist measures are being introduced. Surely, France is not in the least affected by CH pranks. The common thing in both cases was the hurt feelings that caused the turmoils.

And the Chechen, according to French media, just ordinary bank robbers, apparently...

You were the one to call me not to trust media with their agenda and intent to manipulate. Follow your advice.

Only in the last twenty years has the schism caused by the Council of Chalcedon sixteen centuries ago finally been healed.

Yet it didn't bring all western christians under one governance.

[rickinator9]

You can be atheist all right. Only there is no need to insult others if they are not. The chief tenet of atheism I offered (and you agreed with) should be "be nice to everyone irrespective of what they believe (don't believe) into". CH was anything but nice.

The chief tenet of Atheism is the belief that there is no god, not that you should be nice to people regardless of their beliefs. Of course being kind is an important character trait but I wouldn't say it is the most important issue in Atheism itself, just as kindness isn't the most important issue for Theists.

Charlie Hebdo doesn't need to be nice. It is a satirical magazine. It ridicules to improve society. While people in this case have died in the process of improving society, I think Europe as a whole will benefit from this attack since more and more people get to know the true evil that is Islam.

[Hax]

more people get to know the true evil that is Islam.

Hi, I don't really know you -- but this statement seems to be pretty insane.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Hi, I don't really know you -- but this statement seems to be pretty insane.

He's pretty unpleasant.

[Beskar]

Hi, I don't really know you -- but this statement seems to be pretty insane.

Rick is a pretty cool guy.

Not sure where his recent views came from though, because calling a few crazies as being typical of Islam is like saying those who strongly oppose Islam are wannabe Anders Breiviks.

[Hax]

I might be insane, but here I am just stating my opinion.

Well, okay -- but your opinion is incredibly misinformed. That's my opinion.

Any religion that promotes violence or has hateful texts in its scripture is evil in my eyes.

Right, and who made you an expert on Islam?

[Brenus]

“That's not satire, it's crass.” What? “All is forgiven”? That was the first title… Is it offensive?



Or this one:


It says: For a dying magazine printing 30,000 before to now the biggest selling one. Who's the genius who had this idea?

Yeap, very offensive indeed

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The chief tenet of Atheism is the belief that there is no god, not that you should be nice to people regardless of their beliefs. Of course being kind is an important character trait but I wouldn't say it is the most important issue in Atheism itself, just as kindness isn't the most important issue for Theists.

Charlie Hebdo doesn't need to be nice. It is a satirical magazine. It ridicules to improve society. While people in this case have died in the process of improving society, I think Europe as a whole will benefit from this attack since more and more people get to know the true evil that is Islam.

Charlie Hebdo are not responsible for what happened, on the other hand, the first cover they printer after the attack was offensive to all Muslims.

That's not satire, it's crass.

[Fragony]

Charlie Hebdo are not responsible for what happened, on the other hand, the first cover they printer after the attack was offensive to all Muslims.

That's not satire, it's crass.

No, it's the best reply they could have made. Muslims wil just have to get used to their religion not being sacred here. You have no right to not be offended.

[Gilrandir]

The chief tenet of Atheism is the belief that there is no god, not that you should be nice to people regardless of their beliefs.

You didn't read carefully my message. I said that being nice is the chief tenet that I offered and Brenus seconded.

Charlie Hebdo doesn't need to be nice. It is a satirical magazine. It ridicules to improve society.

If it sees insulting others as improvement, well, it shouldn't complain of repercussions. Certain elements of the society may see elimination of CH as an improvement.

[rickinator9]

Hi, I don't really know you -- but this statement seems to be pretty insane.

I might be insane, but here I am just stating my opinion. Any religion that promotes violence or has hateful texts in its scripture is evil in my eyes.