What to do with the returnees?

[Husar]

Depends on the case.

If they are really sorry and have seen the error of their ways, give them a lot of taxpayer money....


....to tell others about what a bad idea going there really is.

I still don't know that many people who are stupid on purpose / by choice. It's probably better when a returnee tells them not to go than to send a boring government employee in a beige suit with colourful leaflets.

Of course if they did a lot of horrible things back there and/or aren't even sorry and come back for other reasons, jail them for treason or so.

And since I'm not sure where else to post this and it's somewhat related, here is an interesting interview with someone who went there and still is there. The journalist made a deal with the IS over the internet and was allowed to visit the state relatively safely. Still took a lot of balls because he couldn't be 100% sure they'd stick to the deal. It's German with English subtitles.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152723644955838

[Gilrandir]

If they are really sorry and have seen the error of their ways

They can pretend to be to get the money.

Of course if they did a lot of horrible things back there

You can never know.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Such persons should be cautiously welcomed. Repenting of one's previous mistaken choices is not cost-free, but should not be prevented. On the other hand, I would expect domestic security services to watch and review such persons periodically to minimize sleeper-cells and the like.

[Husar]

They can pretend to be to get the money.

You can never know.

We can establish a new agency and call it the Gestasi (geheime Staatssicherheit), they will find out.

There are also well-established methods to get your money back if the wrong person takes it:

[Strike For The South]

High Treason is a hangable offense

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

High Treason is a hangable offense

The EU made us get rid of hanging for treason :(

Anyway - posing with severed heads means you were out there fighting, given the way IS fights I'd say this guy should be locked up or deported back to his new homeland.

The girl, perhaps, should be allowed to stay as afaik the "wives" of IS fighters have it only slightly better than their slave girls.

[Fragony]

Pretty easy, take of their pasport, that is perfectly legal as they are not stateless as they have double nationalities. Marroco and Algeria where most are from will just drop them in the desert. voila. Is it so hard.

[Brenus]

Stupidity is not High Treason.

To have pictures of you with severed heads is not a crime, it is not the proof that you did it, even if you say so. As I said, Naser Oric, commander of Srebrenica was found not guilty in The Hague even if he told journalists he did it and show them videos. It was videos at that time.

I am not sure on this subject.
Because the reason they went was to support a totalitarian ideology, in full sense. I know I said it shouldn't change our attitude, but if someone go to fight for Freedom and Democracy and get it wrong, ok, sh** happened.
But even I am sure that for some it was "just" to upset the family and so, they still went to support criminals. And for these, they paid the price.
And it is not only they support criminals, they might became criminals, and perhaps still are.
However, we can't kick out (in the desert or not) a young mom and her baby under the pretexts she was stupid, and the father of the baby is a criminal nutter.
So, we cannot just ignore the problem, as they are still citizens of the countries of origin. And in France, you can't take the citizenship away.
Difficult difficult.

[Husar]

The EU made us get rid of hanging for treason :(

Part of the reason we established the EU was to improve Britain.
No need to thank us.

Anyway - posing with severed heads means you were out there fighting, given the way IS fights I'd say this guy should be locked up or deported back to his new homeland.

The girl, perhaps, should be allowed to stay as afaik the "wives" of IS fighters have it only slightly better than their slave girls.

That's pretty simple, it sounds like you just assume typical gender roles.
In reality it is not that simple however.

These people have made colourful experiences in different countries where our laws do not apply, it is not up to us to judge them, we should see what we can learn from them and how they can enrich our society.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Part of the reason we established the EU was to improve Britain.
No need to thank us.



That's pretty simple, it sounds like you just assume typical gender roles.
In reality it is not that simple however.

These people have made colourful experiences in different countries where our laws do not apply, it is not up to us to judge them, we should see what we can learn from them and how they can enrich our society.

I'll just assume your link refers to female IS fighters - but Brenus mentioned the wife of an IS fighter, which is different.

Even so in the IS we may, in fact, assume traditional gender roles because they are a bunch of backwards Koran thumping, Yazadi raping, slave taking, child murdering, monastery sacking loons.

Please note that the above description is restricted to their reported acitvities without embellishment.

[Slyspy]

The EU made us get rid of hanging for treason :(

Strange thing, but if the EU made us ditch it (in 1998) then you'd have thought that the last execution would be more recent than 1946.

[Brenus]

Read an article in a French publication: Apparently the number of returnees is by hundreds. And the number of executed potential returnees in the same kind of number. Apparently, IS doesn't like freedom of movement.
The article describe a very difficult situation of the returnees as
1 They fear retaliation from IS
2 The local population doesn't trust them (nor police and others law enforcement agencies.
So they have no where to go, and nobody really want to talk to them

However, they still show/see themselves as victims, refusing to acknowledge they choose to go and to support a Nazi kind of ideology, based on aggression, slavery, racism and discrimination. What they said is it was not as they imagined it, and the conditions of living awful.
What were they imagine is far from my understanding...

[Ice]

High Treason is a hangable offense

Agreed. Not sure I'd hang them, but I don't think I'd welcome them back either.

[Fragony]

Agreed. Not sure I'd hang them, but I don't think I'd welcome them back either.

Most have two nationalities, take of one. Perfectly possible by international law. Maroco and Algeria aren'f very kind to extremists so they will just dissapear after the plane landed. It isn't all that hard.

As the himself muslim mayor of Rotterdam gently puts is, just go, get the fuck out of here, and never come back.

[Gilrandir]

Anyway - posing with severed heads means you were out there fighting

There is a popular entertainment in maritime cities of Ukraine: along the beach one can see strolling people having different exotic animals and birds on a tether: monkeys, donkeys, parrots, eagles, peacocks, snakes and the like. Holiday makers can have pictures taken holding those animals. Yet it doesn't mean they have hunted them or are likely to eat them. Perhaps similar cases are those with severed heads.

Most have two nationalities, take of one. Perfectly possible by international law.

Not necessary to do that - just introduce a law forbidding double citizenship (as in Ukraine) and make them choose only one.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

High Treason is a hangable offense

Make sure you have two witnesses -- and a lawyer to prove 'adherence to an Enemy' in the absence of a declaration of war.

[Fragony]

Does not fly anyway, you have to be joining forces of a state you are at war with for it to be high-treason. Just getting into a fight does not count you are jusr a mercenary then. By law, not sanity.

[Fragony]

Gawd this is hilarious, it is only slightly on topic and probably slipping it, but I reckoned it's the best place to place it http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tching-wankers