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    "So the Soviet freedom of faith you try to convince me in was true only for people after 60. If you had any aspirations in your life you could see the church only from the outside (and from a safe distance too)." Thanks for confirming what Wiki just said. Not banned, but difficult.

    "I don't have problems with understanding/reading texts, perhaps I can't always detect irony and sarcasm" I do understand this, however my criticisms of NATO' action in Former Yugoslavia, and my point of view about intervention in Iraq didn't show any support to NATO.
    In fact I was comparing Putin's action to NATO's one.

    "For a significant part of your life you have been doing what you despise. Talk of hypocrisy." First, France was not part on NATO when I was in the Army. Second, you assume too muck on too little information.

    "yet you go on being childish in blaming objects for what humans do" For the F*** Sake, when? I don't blame a tool, I just can't deny as you do they are part of the action... Yes, if I kill someone with a rake, in the evidence on the Prosecution, it won't be labelled as as "nothing to do with the murder".
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "So the Soviet freedom of faith you try to convince me in was true only for people after 60. If you had any aspirations in your life you could see the church only from the outside (and from a safe distance too)." Thanks for confirming what Wiki just said. Not banned, but difficult.
    Never said it was banned. I said it was ALMOST banned. Like officially other parties were not banned in the USSR, yet only one functioned. If you tried to found another one, you would be charged with anti-Soviet activity. Like officially the republics within the USSR could exit it any time they wanted, but if you said it aloud you would be arrested for (read above). The Soviet constitution was one of the most democratic ones, yet the USSR can hardly be called a democratic country. So if you wanted to live in comfort, you had to leave religion alone. In my view, it is unofficial ban.
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    "yet you go on being childish in blaming objects for what humans do" For the F*** Sake, when?
    You blame religion for the crimes people obsessed with it commit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Like officially the republics within the USSR could exit it any time they wanted, but if you said it aloud you would be arrested for (read above)..
    Well, they eventually left by using precisely that article in the constitution. It's safe to assume that it was never intended to be used though, and they only got away with it because of the times...

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    I said it was ALMOST banned” True. However a ban is like to be pregnant. You are or your are not. No middle situation.

    You blame religion for the crimes people obsessed with it commit” Nope. I said, and you can re-read what I wrote, that Religions have a part in it. If Religions say to kill the unfaithful, or the gays, or whoever, and some followers of these Religions do exactly this, Religions are part of the problem. Because without the Holly Texts stating this, the believers could do it in the name of these Religions. They might do it, but it wouldn't be a holly war, it would appear for what it is, murder.
    I am not sure I would classify Religion as object, but you might be right.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
    Well, they eventually left by using precisely that article in the constitution. It's safe to assume that it was never intended to be used though, and they only got away with it because of the times...
    I spoke not of what republics can/can't do, but of people who said they can. The fate of such individuals was pretty sad. Until late 1980s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    I said it was ALMOST banned” True. However a ban is like to be pregnant. You are or your are not. No middle situation.
    In the USSR it could be both. You are the freest person on Earth, but we wouldn't advise you to, say, communicate with foreigners or listen to Western radio stations, or to criticize Brezhnev, or doubt that socialism was a wrong path for the country to follow or....
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    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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