ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[Kadagar_AV]

I wouldn't say christianity has improved, most of it has just become semi-atheism and the rest returned to the roots.

Uuuuh... Did you just take what I wrote, and decided to personally edit it, or what?

You just know that a quote falls short when it starts with "However".


Christianity at large is still evil and rotten, sure.

However, compared to Islam... Nah, I wont go into that. It feels insulting comparing Islam to modern Christianity.

Please note the word "modern".

Heck, the pope even went out PUBLIC to say that the earth, might in fact, turn around the sun...

Geez, WOW, if that isn't religious progression I dont know what is!!!


The joke turns bitter when you indulge the thought that Islam hasn't even reached this very basic level of normal modern, well, intelligence.

[Brenus]

“You obviously have a problem with religious people, too, so you're just a version of him on the other side of the fence.” my step-daughter is heavily involved in a new-born Christian movement, so your assertion is completely out of reality. My opposition to religion is intellectual. It is still religious people who killed atheist on Paris, and tried in Denmark

“it's just that people who did read it and live according to it say their actions are against the quran.” Well, they are lying, or they didn’t read the Quran (2nd hypothesis most realistic). Doctors of Muslim Faith didn’t issued any fatwa against IS because all actions of IS are not against Quran’s writing. Killing gay (and you can find the quote in your favourite research engine) is commanded as killing Jews, agnostics, atheists and other sub-Muslims. The Quran tells you when you can beat you wife and when to stop. I invent nothing, all can be checked. So, can you ask “people who did read it and live according to it” what is against Quran in IS’ actions? And I don’t want a sentence that can be interpreted as against the killing, as all religions contradict themselves. No. I want form them a clear message from the Quran showing that it does not teach that killing Jews and others. Well, they won’t be able to do so, because it does.
They pick and choose and it is good they do so. But they can't claim that IS is doing against Quran's writtings.

“He does tolerate it, the point was that it's an insult by proxy” Good for him, and it is not an insult, the fact is there is no god, no holly texts, all these are men made. If reality is insulting, well, nothing I can do. And rainbows are just the colours of light even if some wish they are not.

“And you don't seem to understand the point of a religion at all” oh, I do. Oppression, murders, racism, crusades and Jihads, useless debates about non-existent deities and I can carry on.

“I'm not sure I want to share your modern idea of human rights” I sure of this as yours seem a little bit from Bronze Ages tribes orientated, slavery, inequality, etc… By the way, having as reference a book agreeing with slavery, genocide and aggression is not a good move. Well, for me at least.

[Fragony]

Now they are also pissing of Egypt..

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Now they are also pissing of Egypt..

Not too much of a threat. The over-sized archers are annoying, but the chariot generals die like flies so you can route them pretty easy.

[Fragony]

Nice, over 40 burned alive in public execution. Why do I get the feeling they are more desperate then confident. So what is next, top this, kinda hard. Fatigue kicks in when it comes to being shocked by such atrocities. Surprise me, going to burn babies, or use them at a soccer-match. Goal them into a cage and then burn them. Just an idea.

[Brenus]

what are we going to achieve by banning islam?” I don’t want to ban Islam or any religions. I want people to realise that religions have it quite easy in term of the law under the pretext there are Faith.

“we basically tell the friendly ones that they do not follow their religion correctly if they do not try to kill us” That is a valid point, but it is not my point, nor the French Muslim Scholars from whom I picked my points. First is to recognise that the killings are in grain in Islam, not alien to Islam. Then, create steps in order to extract from Islam these seeds in making them against Islam. But you can’t achieve this if you keep pretending these words of hate are the words of God. I know the process is difficult, but it is necessary to do so. And according to this scholars, it is possible, as it was done in the past (annulment). The trouble is it will shake the dogma that the Quran was dictated by God and wrote immediately, which is not true as all Muslim scholars know already. But due to the fact that most of the Muslims don’t read/understand Arabic, the actual Muslim Faith is more kind of magic, a little bit like Latin was for the Christians.

“you seem to have the immovable opinion that all conflict only comes from the other side of the argument.” For the moment being, as I notice the facts, the atheists are killed by the faithful. And even if a mad atheist decides to do the same in whatever religious buildings, he/she will not be able to claim legitimacy in a holly book, as atheists by definition have none. He/she will have to claim from another spectrum, probably political, where racism is heavily involved.
And no, I will not compromise with the unacceptable. I will not compromise on the ones who want to shut me up because their feelings are hurt. Or because they feel insulted when they are not. It is my right to tell others that I think their idea are bad, wrong or plainly stupid, as it their right to answer in the same way. I was told I will burn in Hell, so what?
I spoke with a lot of Religious persons, and some of them where Priest in all monotheistic religions, and they accepted my opinion and me their beliefs, and that it. No one felt insulted. Good laughs, sometimes… And many points of agreement...

“If you think that is what I'm about, I guess there is nothing I can do to change that” Well, you decided to go for the Bible, and the bible was/is a book from the Bronze Age, historically speaking.

“now you call me a bronze age age slavery supporter” Nope, I pointed out that the book you link is supporting slavery, so, as such, not really a good reference. So, put back my remark in context and you will see that it was not what I said. I should have been clearer, I concede.

“Not relevant to my point” Yes, but very in mine.

I afraid that your Fatwas are not excepted, if we are kind, the second one. It is better than what we had before (especially if you think of Rushdie) but these are not religious orders to be followed by the faithful, but guidelines based on other texts (for the second one) from the Quran or not.

[Ironside]

Nice, over 40 burned alive in public execution. Why do I get the feeling they are more desperate then confident. So what is next, top this, kinda hard. Fatigue kicks in when it comes to being shocked by such atrocities. Surprise me, going to burn babies, or use them at a soccer-match. Goal them into a cage and then burn them. Just an idea.

The top guys are having doomsday cult vibes. They're doing a lot of quoting the Quran equivalent of the book of relevation. They want to have some kind of retaliation so they can beat it and then create heaven on earth. That's why they don't care about pissing everyone off, because long term stability comes through magic, not reality.

[Fragony]

The top guys are having doomsday cult vibes. They're doing a lot of quoting the Quran equivalent of the book of relevation. They want to have some kind of retaliation so they can beat it and then create heaven on earth. That's why they don't care about pissing everyone off, because long term stability comes through magic, not reality.

Could be, but I suspect they are just sadistic maniacs who's shock-value wears off, I wonder what they will come up next. Thd nevitable next shooting in a European town isn't going to have the same effect either anymore as everybody already knows it is comming, and mentally prepared. They are nerfing their only weapon, fear.

edit, this guy thinks you are spot on http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/

[Husar]

Uuuuh... Did you just take what I wrote, and decided to personally edit it, or what?

You just know that a quote falls short when it starts with "However".

No, the rest just wasn't relevant to my reply, I didn't even criticize you in my reply, just offered my view on the improvement part.

Christianity at large is still evil and rotten, sure.

However, compared to Islam... Nah, I wont go into that. It feels insulting comparing Islam to modern Christianity.

Please note the word "modern".

Heck, the pope even went out PUBLIC to say that the earth, might in fact, turn around the sun...

Geez, WOW, if that isn't religious progression I dont know what is!!!

The joke turns bitter when you indulge the thought that Islam hasn't even reached this very basic level of normal modern, well, intelligence.

See, I want to give you honest replies and then I see hints of your crazy IQ theories again and I just despair. Sometimes I just quote the parts I want to give honest replies to but then you complain that I use your stuff out of context. So here you have a quote with full context and my reply that I just don't feel like going over this stupid argument of yours again.

“You obviously have a problem with religious people, too, so you're just a version of him on the other side of the fence.” my step-daughter is heavily involved in a new-born Christian movement, so your assertion is completely out of reality. My opposition to religion is intellectual. It is still religious people who killed atheist on Paris, and tried in Denmark

Okay, point taken, I just haven't read a whole lot of intellectual articles yet where the people they disagree with are described with words like brainwashed and delusional, but maybe that's because I don't study a social science. ~

“it's just that people who did read it and live according to it say their actions are against the quran.” Well, they are lying, or they didn’t read the Quran (2nd hypothesis most realistic). Doctors of Muslim Faith didn’t issued any fatwa against IS because all actions of IS are not against Quran’s writing. Killing gay (and you can find the quote in your favourite research engine) is commanded as killing Jews, agnostics, atheists and other sub-Muslims. The Quran tells you when you can beat you wife and when to stop. I invent nothing, all can be checked. So, can you ask “people who did read it and live according to it” what is against Quran in IS’ actions? And I don’t want a sentence that can be interpreted as against the killing, as all religions contradict themselves. No. I want form them a clear message from the Quran showing that it does not teach that killing Jews and others. Well, they won’t be able to do so, because it does.
They pick and choose and it is good they do so. But they can't claim that IS is doing against Quran's writtings.

Even if that is so, what are we going to achieve by banning islam? At this point I always wonder what we argue about because even if we ban the entire religion because we think that the correct interpretation is evil, by doing so we will just:
a) alienate those with the "wrong" interpretation who are/were perfectly harmless but are now turned into criminals who also hate us.
b) we basically tell the friendly ones that they do not follow their religion correctly if they do not try to kill us and btw., we also hate them now and make their core beliefs illegal, that can't possibly end badly.

As for fatwas, a quick search seems to turn up a few:
http://www.dw.de/support-for-the-bri...-is/a-17898912
http://www.icna.org/u-s-muslim-relig...nst-terrorism/
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/25/351277...-isis-violence
http://news.sky.com/story/1327540/mu...nst-is-britons

“He does tolerate it, the point was that it's an insult by proxy” Good for him, and it is not an insult, the fact is there is no god, no holly texts, all these are men made. If reality is insulting, well, nothing I can do. And rainbows are just the colours of light even if some wish they are not.

If you are completely unwilling to even consider someone else's view or feelings on a subject, there is really no point in arguing about it.
It is however a stance that leads to conflict IMO, because any kind of compromise usually becomes impossible.
But luckily for you, you seem to have the immovable opinion that all conflict only comes from the other side of the argument.

“And you don't seem to understand the point of a religion at all” oh, I do. Oppression, murders, racism, crusades and Jihads, useless debates about non-existent deities and I can carry on.

Not relevant to my point.

“I'm not sure I want to share your modern idea of human rights” I sure of this as yours seem a little bit from Bronze Ages tribes orientated, slavery, inequality, etc… By the way, having as reference a book agreeing with slavery, genocide and aggression is not a good move. Well, for me at least.

If you think that is what I'm about, I guess there is nothing I can do to change that, it's quite funny though, given that PVC called me an atheist recently and now you call me a bronze age age slavery supporter which I assume is your way of calling me too religious. I'm also waiting for Kadagar to point out that this quote there is just part of a sentence that you quoted out of context. You two seem to agree a lot on this topic, so maybe you'll believe him when he says that.

[Kadagar_AV]

No, the rest just wasn't relevant to my reply, I didn't even criticize you in my reply, just offered my view on the improvement part.



See, I want to give you honest replies and then I see hints of your crazy IQ theories again and I just despair. Sometimes I just quote the parts I want to give honest replies to but then you complain that I use your stuff out of context. So here you have a quote with full context and my reply that I just don't feel like going over this stupid argument of yours again.

U on drugs mate? What of what I wrote had anything to do with IQ theories? You read to much into stuff, it seems.

Regardless, it is quite charming how you wont acknowledge that IQ isn't spread equally in every part of the globe. For me it would be an absolute shocker if it WAS equal, as that would go against evolution completely...

I am happy knowing East Asians and Jews generally have a higher IQ than people of my own breed... It doesn't trouble me, and I don't see it as problematic.

The problems only come in when you dare to say that black people are on the lower end of the scale... Yeah, THAT is not ok.

But know what, some subgroup MUST be... That's just how the world works :)