Planecrash in France, developing story

**Fragony** · 03-27-2015, 13:23

Originally Posted by Husar

There is one problem with the accident theory: The pilot didn't get into the cockpit.

The cockpit door should have opened after 30 seconds if the copilot had passed out, unless the copilot actually denied the opening of the door. The following video explains it with some scenes that remind me of Harry Enfield sketches:

Seen the video, but electrical systems can fail, ask any windows user. If the airplane has a certain angle manual control is shut off, I am still not sure if this was actually intentional, very likely it was but still not sure. The police found some stuff in his appartment but no word on what it is for now.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-27-2015, 13:59

Latest I heard is that police found torn-up sick notes in his house that said he was unfit to work. Didn't mention what illness the sick notes spoke of.

**Husar** · 03-27-2015, 15:00

Originally Posted by Fragony

Seen the video, but electrical systems can fail, ask any windows user.

It's a really bad idea to compare the systems on a multi-million-Euro airplane to a multimedia computer.

And what Rhyfelwyr says, it seems like the copilot wasn't fit for work and went there anyway.

**Kadagar_AV** · 03-27-2015, 16:45

Swedish media report that it was a suicide... And he just took the others with him...

He locked the other captain out, and crashed the plane.

Also, he seems to have some type of illness... He was already "free of work" for healthcare reasons, but didn't inform his bosses and flew anyway... We all know what happened afterwards.

Absolutely HORRIBLE...

I have a mountaineer friend who used to work at the same ski school as me... He was/is part of the "rescue"... Handling dead people isn't exactly what normally comes with the job, but he said every qualified mountain guy in the vicinity went there at once, and called in their friends from around...

So well, a thought for those unsung heroes... They don't even expect pay, they are volunteers...

**Kagemusha** · 03-27-2015, 16:57

RIP for the victims of this horrible deed. I cant understand why cant people novadays just kill themselves, but have to take innocent lives with them in the process.

**Montmorency** · 03-27-2015, 20:34

I would do the same given this guy's resources.

I find it so strange that liberal democratic societies prefer to extract every last bit of productivity out of citizens rather than facilitating their deaths in appropriate circumstances.

**Husar** · 03-27-2015, 20:47

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I would do the same given this guy's resources.

I find it so strange that liberal democratic societies prefer to extract every last bit of productivity out of citizens rather than facilitating their deaths in appropriate circumstances.

That might be because our societies are geared completely towards productivity, there are people who get depression from being unemployed because they feel worthless and not appreciated etc. And other people call them lazy leeches on society, which probably does not help. Now this pilot wasn't unemployed so he probably had other issues. Given that he was excused from work and went there anyway, him having been overworked sounds unlikely.

But what was so bad about his resources? He could have rented a small plane and crashed that or jumped in front of a truck from a highway bridge or whatever, lots of means to suicide without killing more than a hundred other people. Yes, the truck driver may get emotional damage but he'd rather get that than die in a plane crash I assume.

That said, the investigation is not entirely concluded yet, it just seems very, very likely that it was a kind of amok-suicide, apparently experts say people do that if they don't just want to die but also hate or blame the world somehow. Maybe something happened to him that has not been revealed yet.

**Montmorency** · 03-27-2015, 20:58

Do keep in mind that I like to be provocative at times. Anyway -

By "resources", I mean this:

"Active" forms of suicide are extremely difficult to carry out and are usually impulse-actions. For the long-term suicidal, there is almost no hope for such an outcome. I count suicide by firearm in this category, though it is perhaps the least "active" form of them all.

"Passive" forms of suicide - such as dying in an explosion - are excellent for such individuals in that they require a minimum of effort in the moment. They are, unfortunately, very difficult to actually set up. Most individuals, for example, do not have access to bombs or, as it were, planes.

If the state were to provide a simple medium-term vetting process to exclude the impulsively suicidal, then the long-term suicidal could be terminated in controlled circumstances. Hopefully better-thought-through than the United States lethal injection process, at any rate.

TLDR

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-27-2015, 21:25

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I would do the same given this guy's resources.

I find it so strange that liberal democratic societies prefer to extract every last bit of productivity out of citizens rather than facilitating their deaths in appropriate circumstances.

Never has there been so much wrong in such a simple post.

The guy just killed 150 people, and you are seriously saying you would do the same thing to all those individuals purely because society didn't make it easy enough for you to kill yourself? Then there is your bizarre idea that Western societies' opposition to euthanasia is nothing to do with traditional ideas of the sanctity of life, but in fact is all about maximising productivity from citizens?

In fact, before I go on, I must remind myself that I rarely understand your point, and I should probably just stop now.

**Montmorency** · 03-27-2015, 21:31

Then there is your bizarre idea that Western societies' opposition to euthanasia is nothing to do with traditional ideas of the sanctity of life, but in fact is all about maximising productivity from citizens?

If you want my serious view, then it's not about "sanctity of life" either but a holdout from Christian morality concerning God's "ownership" of human souls.

Clearly, Western liberalism minus this particular influence would demand that the 'agency' and 'true will' of the passively-suicidal individual must be upheld. From tolerance, it's a short leap to pragmatism: much better for society to administer death in a systematic manner than to have to deal with "public fallout", so to speak.