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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    It is possible that he just didn't think of anyone else.
    Thoughts of self-destruction => intensely internal focus => today is a good day to die => oh, hey! I'm all alone in here!!! => success
    As I already said, he must have locked the pilot out intentionally, surely he kind of thought about at least one other person at the time.

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    pretty likely probably
    I'm not so sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I'm not so sure.
    Me neither, but they found nothing in his house that suggests that it wasn't an impulsive act. I imagine that if he really wanted to make a point out of doing this he wanted to ensure everyone knows that he did it on purpose. As I understand the relation with the girl who claimed that he wanted his name to be known to everybody was already over way before this happened. That in itselve isn't such a weird thing to say, a gifted musician or painter could say the same.

    Take that Breivik, also a mass-murderer with narcistic tendencies, he wrote a manifest of hundrerds of pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Me neither, but they found nothing in his house that suggests that it wasn't an impulsive act. I imagine that if he really wanted to make a point out of doing this he wanted to ensure everyone knows that he did it on purpose. As I understand the relation with the girl who claimed that he wanted his name to be known to everybody was already over way before this happened. That in itselve isn't such a weird thing to say, a gifted musician or painter could say the same.

    Take that Breivik, also a mass-murderer with narcistic tendencies, he wrote a manifest of hundrerds of pages.
    I meant that if he just thought of himself and forgot everything around him, the other pilot would have come into the cockpit.
    But when the cockpit door alarm started he must have consciously locked "the other people" out of the cockpit, which usually entails thinking about them in some way or another. One might even say he actively denied them the right to live in that moment/decided to kill them too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I meant that if he just thought of himself and forgot everything around him, the other pilot would have come into the cockpit.
    But when the cockpit door alarm started he must have consciously locked "the other people" out of the cockpit, which usually entails thinking about them in some way or another. One might even say he actively denied them the right to live in that moment/decided to kill them too.
    Probably. I don't think things like this will ever be foolproof. I doubt he never considered the people on board but just wanted to drag them down with him. But there is still way too much unknown to us, there will probably be formed a commision that will look very precise at everything. Just a wild thought, the plane had six hours delay because of maintenance, the front-hatch could have opened dragging the plane down, a problem guys who make airbus-planes warned abouf, he speeded up before the crash, that could also mean that he did that to gain hight. That he breathed steadily also doesn't have to mean anything, he could have come to peace with his life being over. Maybe he didn't do this on purpose, you never know. I think he did but I can't know. Easy on any conclusions by now is probably best, but it looks bad in any case. There is also the convert thingie, hate to say it but that's also a consideration, should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Probably. I don't think things like this will ever be foolproof. I doubt he never considered the people on board but just wanted to drag them down with him. But there is still way too much unknown to us, there will probably be formed a commision that will look very precise at everything. Just a wild thought, the plane had six hours delay because of maintenance, the front-hatch could have opened dragging the plane down, a problem guys who make airbus-planes warned abouf, he speeded up before the crash, that could also mean that he did that to gain hight. That he breathed steadily also doesn't have to mean anything, he could have come to peace with his life being over. Maybe he didn't do this on purpose, you never know. I think he did but I can't know. Easy on any conclusions by now is probably best, but it looks bad in any case. There is also the convert thingie, hate to say it but that's also a consideration, should be.
    Again, he had to turn a switch into a position that one can safely assume is rarely used for this switch. If he did not turn the switch into that position on purpose, the other pilot could have entered the cockpit with the safety code. Given that the other pilot very obviously tried to get into the cockpit for quite a while, it would be safe to assume that the co-pilot locked him out on purpose, he certainly didn't open the door to let the other pilot in in order to recover the airplane together.

    There are only two scenarios where he didn't lock someone out consciously:
    a) the switch became conscious and moved itself (it seems to be safeguarded against accidental movement by having to be pulled out first)
    b) the other pilot was just banging on the door for fun and noone noticed that there is no door opening alarm while they were listening to the audio recordings, the pilot basically faked wanting back into the cockpit

    You can probably tell me how likely these scenarios are.
    I'm not sure how to judge what he did but that this was all an unfortunate accident seems very unlikely. You'd think if he was dealing with a technical problem, he'd open the door for the pilot to get back in. If he used a technical problem to commit suicide on purpose and take everyone with him it doesn't really change a lot. Even if the problem was hard to recover from, why did he not let the pilot in to help him do that?


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    No idea, it is VERY likely that it wasn't an accident, but I want to know more before I besmear his name. It can still just be an electronic fairrue, unlikely but possible. I am just not making any conclusions yet. It looks absolutily bad, depression, possible psychosis, convert to islam, but it hasn't HAVE to be any of that. I find my take on why he speeded up at least pleasible if there was a problem with the hatch, it could make sense in the scenario I gave, which I don't believe myselve by the way.

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