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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    Now I'm curious. Is this what you call cherrypicking, taking examples that contain the thing in question, rather than making a random sample? Because taking the two examples in history isn't a trend, taking 30 AAA titles from the last 10 years is showing a trend on the other hand.
    No I mean taking footage of people using the freedom of the games to do violent things to women as an example of the game encouraging and rewarding misogyny is cherry picking.

    For example: You can beat up hookers and steal thier money in GTA, You can use the takedown system in Deus Ex human revolution to brutalize a streetwalker. In her videos she shows both to be included in her argument that games are promoting sexism. But she neglects to mention that you can do that to anyone in the game, man or women, you can brutalized cops, firemen, soldiers, buisnessmen, anyone of any gender or occupation in those games can be targets of a player's beatdown. So why did feminist Frequency not mention that?

    That was the part that convinced me personally that this was not a reasonable critique of gaming and that ms sarkeesian was not acting in good faith. But it was only the tip of the iceberg of how wrong her videos turned out, and looking back over a year later I feel that her misteps may have caused damage far beyond causing herself to look stupid.
    Any critique of the gaming industry would make the community defensive, we have put up with so many attacks from outsiders calling us racist, homophobic, calling our hobbies murder simulators and all that good stuff that it has become instinct to question any criticism. But what Sarkeesian did was what jack thompson did: It got major attention while being blatantly wrong and selfserving and it gave legitimacy to anyone who wanted to dismiss the critique.
    If femenist frequency was a reasonable analysis of the gaming scene from someone a part of the community with proper fact checking (and gained the same media attention as FF. as FF is criticized as owing its fame to sensationalizing that would be unlikely, but still...) it might have gained traction. Instead it was yet another outsider with a moralising agenda taking a cursory glance at gaming, declaring it bad in one way or another, and dismissing all criticism as trolling.

    Their actions have poisoned the well for anyone who wants to tackle the issue in the future because, regardless of legitimacy of the argument, all the detractors need to do is point at the last guy who tried and claim any new information is the same.

    Obviously, you people don't want to indulge my sudden exploration of Marxism by constructing this scenario as class warfare... go ahead with your lame gender warfare.
    Last edited by Greyblades; 04-14-2015 at 17:37.
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