Canada's Ugly Secret

[HopAlongBunny]

Cultural genocide, starvation, sexual abuse ... etc.
There appears to be no depravity too low in Canada's attempt to eliminate it's aboriginal people:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33099511

The article barely scratches the surface

[rvg]

Time to get over it and move on.

[Papewaio]

Time to get over it and move on.

Why? Did you read the article?

[rvg]

Why? Did you read the article?

Not a good reason for self-flagellation over something that took place a generation ago.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Cultural genocide, starvation, sexual abuse ... etc.
There appears to be no depravity too low in Canada's attempt to eliminate it's aboriginal people:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33099511

The article barely scratches the surface

It's certainly ugly but it's no secret - it's the same horrible thing that was done by Colonials throughout the New World and the Canadian Residential Schools program was know as one of the worst. There was such disquiet over this in the UK that as late as the 1980's Parliament had reservations about granting Canada full legislative autonomy, lest they legislate prejudice.

Also, this all stopped over half a century ago, most of the people currently in the Canadian Government today were barely alive, then, or hadn't even been born.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Why? Did you read the article?

I did, it's sensationalist.

[Papewaio]

6000+ dead

Standard abuse theme by church run school.

It's not over yet as there are people who went through those schools and the families of those are also impacted.

Are any of those statements non factual or even sensationalist?

[Fragony]

It isn't unkwon to me either, I thought it was commenly known

[Greyblades]

My thoughts while reading:

Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has released its findings into more than a century of abuse in Indian Residential Schools. Between the 1880s and 1990s 150,000 aboriginal children were sent to institutions where they were stripped of their language and culture...

"Oh boy here we go, another sob story by liberal hippies giving us yet another dose of overblown white guilt for having the temerity to demand a unified language and-

Many faced emotional, physical and sexual abuse.

"Oh. So less 'Save the culture' whining and more 'Oranges and Sunshine' Skeletons in the closet. This might actually be interesting

Reads to the end.

"Never mind. This is Exhibit A to the rule 'presentation matters'. They really couldn't have found someone less dramatic and sermonising to write this? Christ, apparantly an actual genocide isnt enough it has to be a 'Cultural Genocide' as if that somehow made it more damning."



I wish the article had mentioned exactly what these '94 recommendations, really pre-conditions to true reconciliation' were, if the Government is only willing to agree to one I cannot imagine they are as reasonable and rightous as the writer apparantly thinks they are.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

6000+ dead

Standard abuse theme by church run school.

It's not over yet as there are people who went through those schools and the families of those are also impacted.

Are any of those statements non factual or even sensationalist?

As I said, I knew about this, none of this is news to me - and in fact Greyblades is correct, the article is very low on substance and entirely on the side of the First Nations (they are aboriginal and it's incorrect to refer to them as such,).

The presentation makes it sound like this is all some big shock, but I knew all about it - it was common knowledge enough that it affected British political policy thirty years ago, and that has always been a matter of public record because the reservations were expressed by MP's in the House.

The abuse was systematic (also a matter of record) it was designed to break the children so they could be re-educated.

As to the Church part - epic meh when the BBC protected its own paedophile ring for decades.

[Fragony]

I also already knew all this and I am from Europe, when come the financial claims?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Maybe these things are just not known in the former Colonies?

That makes a sort of sense, if your entire country and way of life works because you did a mass genocide you wouldn't talk about it unless you want your country to have a collective psychotic break.

[Fragony]

Maybe these things are just not known in the former Colonies?

That makes a sort of sense, if your entire country and way of life works because you did a mass genocide you wouldn't talk about it unless you want your country to have a collective psychotic break.

But there was never a mass-genocide there, this article is so sensationalist. Cleverly it's called a cultural genocide, someone is trying to make money. How many foundations are into this, never underestimate cynism.

[Greyblades]

Maybe these things are just not known in the former Colonies?

That makes a sort of sense, if your entire country and way of life works because you did a mass genocide you wouldn't talk about it unless you want your country to have a collective psychotic break.

Eh, only the bits that buy into the sins of the father rhetoric.

[Papewaio]

As I said, I knew about this, none of this is news to me - and in fact Greyblades is correct, the article is very low on substance and entirely on the side of the First Nations (they are aboriginal and it's incorrect to refer to them as such,).

The presentation makes it sound like this is all some big shock, but I knew all about it - it was common knowledge enough that it affected British political policy thirty years ago, and that has always been a matter of public record because the reservations were expressed by MP's in the House.

The abuse was systematic (also a matter of record) it was designed to break the children so they could be re-educated.

As to the Church part - epic meh when the BBC protected its own paedophile ring for decades.

They are referred to as aboriginal because it is a broader and includes First Nation and other groups such as Inuit.

Also I do not think that the BBC protecting paedophiles should either filter our news or give other organizations a free pass. Might as well say that because Apartheid existed in South Africa other countries can do it as well.

The presentation is the difference between hearsay and official recognition. There is miles between gossip, innuendo and a factual recounting of events. Proper data and record keeping is not a bad thing.

[rvg]

The presentation is the difference between hearsay and official recognition. There is miles between gossip, innuendo and a factual recounting of events. Proper data and record keeping is not a bad thing.

The best part is how everything is blamed on that, from alcohol abuse, to high unemployment, to lack of education. As if those dirty Catholics poured firewater down each kid's throat.

[Papewaio]

The best part is how everything is blamed on that, from alcohol abuse, to high unemployment, to lack of education. As if those dirty Catholics poured firewater down each kid's throat.

Don't know about you but I'd prefer firewater to having a salty aftertaste...

[rory_20_uk]

I wish white people would stop inflicting such suffering on all these peaceful individuals who until we got there lived in harmony with each other.

I fell guilty that I don't feel guilty about these events that occurred on a different continent decades ago.

[lars573]

Maybe these things are just not known in the former Colonies?

That makes a sort of sense, if your entire country and way of life works because you did a mass genocide you wouldn't talk about it unless you want your country to have a collective psychotic break.

I'm Canadian (33 for another month), and I first heard about all this when I was a teen. When the first nations began seeking some form of redress for what happened in residential schools.

The best part is how everything is blamed on that, from alcohol abuse, to high unemployment, to lack of education. As if those dirty Catholics poured firewater down each kid's throat.

Actually you can draw a line from residential schools and high unemployment* to the substance abuse and other social problems that are endemic on first nation reserves.




*The unemployment thing can be caused as much by geography as anything, if you look at a map of where a lot of reserves are.

[HopAlongBunny]

Well, this is part of "getting over it and moving on"
The fact is Canadians blithely ignore the position of Native cultures in our history, and in future development.
Fortunately, the history and its effect on the present is becoming much more clear.
The Commission (http://www.trc.ca/websites/trcinstitution/index.php?p=9) is helping us come to grips with the present social realities.
The Supreme Court has upheld treaty undertakings as legally binding (no surprise) and has upheld Native claims to land the Crown wished to assert authority over.
Dealing with the past is crucial to Canada's future.

[Greyblades]

No, not really.

Iirc It was long ago enough that a most of the main perpritrators are dead or close to and the sufferers are insignificant numerically; The natives being less than 5% of the Canadian population. The need to deal with this wont ever become significant enough to force Canada to do anything, it could easily go it's entire remaining existence without being forced to shed a tear.

[rvg]

Actually you can draw a line from residential schools and high unemployment* to the substance abuse and other social problems that are endemic on first nation reserves.

*The unemployment thing can be caused as much by geography as anything, if you look at a map of where a lot of reserves are.

The world only needs so many hunters, trappers, whalers and reindeer herders. The rest will either have to adopt the ways of the palefaces or drink themselves into oblivion. Adapt or perish.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The world only needs so many hunters, trappers, whalers and reindeer herders. The rest will either have to adopt the ways of the palefaces or drink themselves into oblivion. Adapt or perish.

So much of what you say can be said in a less crude way.

[Greyblades]

I'd take that as a good sign when all the only criticism is so superficial.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'd take that as a good sign when all the only criticism is so superficial.

Your country voted Tory because Ed Miliband ate a sandwich.

[Greyblades]

Your country voted Tory because Ed Miliband ate a sandwich.

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*gasp*
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*cheering*


My country voted tory for many reasons but mostly because Ed Milliband was a spineless twat who tried to buy votes with a pro Islamic blasphemy law.

[a completely inoffensive name]

9-
*gasp*
11
*cheering*


My country voted tory for many reasons but mostly because Ed Milliband was a spineless twat who tried to buy votes with a pro Islamic blasphemy law.

It was the sandwich.

[Greyblades]

Eh, religion pandering muppet or eating a sandwich, either way he was swallowing someone's bull.

Or In this case pig, but bull was funnier.

[Strike For The South]

Secret? Is that some kind of joke?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They are referred to as aboriginal because it is a broader and includes First Nation and other groups such as Inuit.

They're referred to as Aboriginal because it's a very narrow term that should only be applied to the first immigrants to a new land - the original human inhabitants.

The First Nations perpetrated cultural genocide of the American Aboriginals.

Also I do not think that the BBC protecting paedophiles should either filter our news or give other organizations a free pass. Might as well say that because Apartheid existed in South Africa other countries can do it as well.

No, more like because everybody in the Colonies abused the natives nobody should be made to suffer for it now. Germans are not expected to feel guilty for the Holocaust now (at least not by most people) and Canadians should not be forced to feel bad about the policy of forced integration.

The presentation is the difference between hearsay and official recognition. There is miles between gossip, innuendo and a factual recounting of events. Proper data and record keeping is not a bad thing.

Except these records were never hidden or sealed, and this was widely known about - if it was discussed in the British Parliament as a reason to deny Canada full self-government then it's not "hearsay" or "innuendo".