Canada's Ugly Secret

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

He wasn't wrong though.

Yes, he absolutely was - he was completely wrong, about everything.

I was not out to get him, and neither were the VAST majority of Canadians.

Anybody who lumps me in with Spaniards, Italians and Greeks, or them with me, doesn't understand what Europe is - but then neither do most people in the US, of any colour.

[Husar]

Anybody who lumps me in with Spaniards, Italians and Greeks, or them with me, doesn't understand what Europe is - but then neither do most people in the US, of any colour.

Yeah, Europe is a big continent with a long, rich, colourful , diverse and wonderful history. And people should not forget that Great Britain is not part of that continent anyway since it is an island that is very special.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yeah, Europe is a big continent with a long, rich, colourful , diverse and wonderful history. And people should not forget that Great Britain is not part of that continent anyway since it is an island that is very special.

I take it you don't understand Europe either.

[Greyblades]

Yeah, Europe is a big continent with a long, rich, colourful , diverse and wonderful history. And people should not forget that Great Britain is not part of that continent anyway since it is an island that is very special.

[Pannonian]

Yeah, Europe is a big continent with a long, rich, colourful , diverse and wonderful history. And people should not forget that Great Britain is not part of that continent anyway since it is an island that is very special.

Given that what's traditionally thought of as Europe is founded on the Roman empire, it's a bit hypocritical of a German to exclude Britain from the definition of the continent. England, France, Benelux, Austria, and the Balkans, are all part of classical Europe. Germany, Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia are outside classical Europe.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Given that what's traditionally thought of as Europe is founded on the Roman empire, it's a bit hypocritical of a German to exclude Britain from the definition of the continent. England, France, Benelux, Austria, and the Balkans, are all part of classical Europe. Germany, Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia are outside classical Europe.

Point - Germany only became part of "Western Europe" when it was divided between the Soviets and the Allies, it should have been reassigned to "Central Europe" on reunification of the two halves.

[Husar]

Given that what's traditionally thought of as Europe is founded on the Roman empire, it's a bit hypocritical of a German to exclude Britain from the definition of the continent. England, France, Benelux, Austria, and the Balkans, are all part of classical Europe. Germany, Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia are outside classical Europe.

It were the people from proper Europe who liberated the rest from roman oppression and paved the way for a network of wonderful, peaceful yet glorious nation states, the ultimate step in human development.

Point - Germany only became part of "Western Europe" when it was divided between the Soviets and the Allies, it should have been reassigned to "Central Europe" on reunification of the two halves.

Central Europe is still Europe whereas that island is really quite special geographically and the people are very, very special unlike all the others.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It were the people from proper Europe who liberated the rest from roman oppression and paved the way for a network of wonderful, peaceful yet glorious nation states, the ultimate step in human development.

There's really no way to paint the Fall of Rome as a positive step in Human development. You realise that the germanic Barbarians were the ones who overstressed the Pricipate's economy and caused it to reform into the Dominate, paving the way for centuries of feudal drudgery, right?

While it's not fair to modern Germans there is a reason why your people were painted as the monstrous "Hun"

Central Europe is still Europe whereas that island is really quite special geographically and the people are very, very special unlike all the others.

You're just jealous because some of my ancestors had Roman Citizenship and yours didn't.

[Husar]

There's really no way to paint the Fall of Rome as a positive step in Human development. You realise that the germanic Barbarians were the ones who overstressed the Pricipate's economy and caused it to reform into the Dominate, paving the way for centuries of feudal drudgery, right?

While it's not fair to modern Germans there is a reason why your people were painted as the monstrous "Hun"

"Barbarians" is a roman term indicative of it's own hubris that, together with an unhealthy potion of corruption and greed, ultimately led to its fall at the hands of said "barbarians". The feudal system wasn't that much worse than what the romans did if you consider all factors. Wasn't it largely the idea of absolute power given by religion that gave feudal lords an excuse to do what they want rather than the feudal idea of an exchange between security provided by the lord for work provided by his subjects? The romans could also do what they wanted with everyone who happened to be a slave and were quite bloodthirsty "barbarians" just for fun and giggles. The aqueducts and so on were nice but didn't make their behavior any more civilized no matter how much they liked to pretend it. The caesars were also not that much better than a feudal king/emperor and that after all the bad experiences they had made with kings already.

You're just jealous because some of my ancestors had Roman Citizenship and yours didn't.

I don't know how far you traced your family tree back but even if you could prove that, I'd rather take pride in my ancestors fighting and beating the USSPQR than them having been part of such a corrupt empire that expanded by killing off the neighbors and subduing them to its rule.