Canada's Ugly Secret

[Sir Moody]

Now, lets be clear. It is the fault of the Germans barbarians that the WRE fell, if it weren't for your ancestors we would all have jet packs by now and Rome's Legions would be off conquering other planets!

As a Total war gamer you should be ashamed of yourself!

While the Germanic tribes hammered the last nail into WRE's coffin, Rome had been in decline for over a century and had almost torn itself apart several times - they were doomed mostly due to their own politics and if the Germanic Tribes had not raided Rome someone else would have.

I would also argue while the SPQR had a big effect on our culture, Christianity had a much bigger effect and it is a shared religion that ties us culturally together with the Germans and the rest of "Europe".

The theory of evolution tells us that the empire simply wasn't fit enough for this world and had to go.

Eh, while I agree with the gist of your sentiment, the Theory of evolution is a biological process and has no place describing political situations - Romes fall had nothing to do with evolution - instead it was a series of political mistakes.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

As a Total war gamer you should be ashamed of yourself!

While the Germanic tribes hammered the last nail into WRE's coffin, Rome had been in decline for over a century and had almost torn itself apart several times - they were doomed mostly due to their own politics and if the Germanic Tribes had not raided Rome someone else would have.

I suppose it depends on your perspective, you can look at Rome as perpetually falling, or you can see it as virtually indestructible - what with the formation of the Empire, the year of the Five Emperors, the Crisis of the Third Century, the fall of the ERE, the Sassanids Wars, the Rise of Islam, the Turks, the Fourth Crusade...

This society survived for two thousand years, even though the centre eventually migrated from Rome to Constantinople that's still extraordinary. Then, on top of that, when the political structure collapsed then the West the society didn't. Despite waves of invasions and immigration the only province of the WRE where people do not speak Vulgar Latin today are Britannia where society actually DID collapse and Illyria.

I would also argue while the SPQR had a big effect on our culture, Christianity had a much bigger effect and it is a shared religion that ties us culturally together with the Germans and the rest of "Europe".

Well, the form of Christianity that survived was the form officially sponsored by the Emperor, and that Christianity was a vehicle for Roman ideas and even Roman technology, so I'm not sure they can be separated.

[Gilrandir]

Despite waves of invasions and immigration the only province of the WRE where people do not speak Vulgar Latin today are Britannia where society actually DID collapse and Illyria.

What about Pannonia, Transalpine Gaul and African coast provinces?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

What about Pannonia, Transalpine Gaul and African coast provinces?

I forgot to qualify with "not conquered by Muslims" which is why they speak Arabic rather than Vandal Latin in Africa now, and I said Illyria, by which I meant the greater region including Pannonia.

Sorry.

[Gilrandir]

I forgot to qualify with "not conquered by Muslims" which is why they speak Arabic rather than Vandal Latin in Africa now, and I said Illyria, by which I meant the greater region including Pannonia.

Sorry.

And Transalpine Gaul a part of which is now more or less Switzerland?

[HopAlongBunny]

A contentious proposal from one First Nation leader:

http://aptn.ca/news/2015/06/29/new-a...venue-sharing/

He might even be right...but really, is any provincial gov't going to sign over a portion of resource revenue as the Native Cut? Might be a place to start a dialogue in any case.

Some movement by the province:

http://aptn.ca/news/2015/06/29/new-a...venue-sharing/

Not resource revenue sharing, but an aid to reserve based business out of general revenue.
No admission of any requirement, treaty or otherwise, to extend such funding; safer from a political perspective.

[rvg]

And Transalpine Gaul a part of which is now more or less Switzerland?

Yeah, but it's French and Italian speaking.

[Gilrandir]

Yeah, but it's French and Italian speaking.

There is also Rhaetian, but most of it is German speaking.

[Leet Eriksson]

I forgot to qualify with "not conquered by Muslims" which is why they speak Arabic rather than Vandal Latin in Africa now, and I said Illyria, by which I meant the greater region including Pannonia.

Sorry.

Tamazght exists, it predates "Vandal Latin", so no they wouldn't speak Latin but Neo-Carthaginian.

Screw ya'll Romans, Carthage lives again